Richards believes there's room for both entities in the women's hockey landscape, however. For the Dream Gap Tour's final stop, the PWHPA partnered with the Arizona Coyotes of the National Hockey League with games held in Tempe, Arizona, at Oceanside Ice Arena from March 6 to 8. No one is against individual NHL franchise investing in NWHL teams or leagues, and in the PWHPA’s case, a handful of owners form their own board of governors to start a league alongside the PWHPA’s leadership. Essentially it's uncharted territory and at this point in time there isn't a solid reason to support one at the cost of the other. The current NWHLPA ... No. The PWHPA on the other hand, another professional women’s hockey organization that has at times been rivals with the NWHL, announced some encouraging news today instead. Some players have been offered contracts between $10,000 and $15,000. I think both sides deserve to be heard and the podcast is a fine place to do that. What I want an answer to in the meantime is: which org should I be supporting? IMO there is no negative to supporting both organizations and giving attention and a platform to them. I think the question is getting close to a point of being on the fence one way or the other doesn't work anymore. "Everyone should have a place to play, but we also want to showcase the best product too. "I didn't know what my best choice would be. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. It’s easy to say that players participating in the sit-out — who shy away from the term “boycott” — have the o… "I do think they can co-exist," Hefford said. There’s a chance that the work that Stathletes and Sportslogiq are doing with the NWHL and PWHPA could spark an interest in sports data for thousands of women’s hockey fans. The PWHPA is so strong that there's no guarantee you're going to make a team next year. What hasn't changed from 2020 is the dissonance between the PWHPA and NWHL - the gulf between one side's ambitions for a new league and the model the other is pursuing. The Leafs today announced they are sponsoring the PWHPA. The NWHL shuts down 2021 season due to COVID ... the PWHPA. Some people had noticed that the Leafs had essentially ignored the existence of the Toronto Six and it now seems to likely stem from this incoming sponsorship. "What it comes down to is maybe the philosophical view of how to get there. Hefford says Richards' letter conveys the sacrifice PWHPA players are making in their hockey careers for a league they envision. Calgary; Minnesota; Montreal; New Hampshire; Toronto; News; Events. Desrochers, 28, insists she feel no animosity towards players who choose the NWHL. We've tried that model with the CW.". There were two PWHPA teams, each captained by Arizona natives Makenna Newkirk and Katie McGovern, that played each other twice. It is a priority for CBC to create a website that is accessible to all Canadians including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. The NWHL would give me the opportunity to play and be a big part of a team, versus my role in the PWHPA. Building on their own will be slow and take at least another generation. Yesterday, this article surfaced that detailed some of the situations that the early NWHL players had to deal with. I think the answer to this question is pretty easy: yeah, they need to compromise with each other and become one league if women's hockey is ever going to be sustainable in North America. Both are clearly in each others way. The NWHL would give me the opportunity to play and be a big part of a team, versus my role in the PWHPA. To encourage thoughtful and respectful conversations, first and last names will appear with each submission to CBC/Radio-Canada's online communities (except in children and youth-oriented communities). But I think making statements about supporting both is how you turn women's hockey into the Minnesota Wild, stuck in mediocrity. For both the NWHL and PWHPA, the option is basically a nonstarter as almost every player has a full-time job outside of hockey. Since the PWHPA’s formation and the boycott, there has been an “Us versus Them” narrative between the organizations. I don’t know why they couldn’t just do a pure bubble, but I’m sure they regret it now. No, there isn't a formula to this. The Rangers also announced a similar sponsorship not long ago. I personally just don't want to settle for incremental growth year after year. The union organized showcase tournaments and exhibition games under the Dream Gap Tour banner this past winter. At last week’s NHL All-Star Game in St. Louis, it was PWHPA, not NWHL, players who partook in a Canada-vs.-US exhibition. Rylan Kearney, who launched the NWHL in 2015, was the league's commissioner up until October 2020, when she transitioned into her new roles. Katie Gaus To Host Offseason Open Ice Series. PWHPA vs NWHL discussion: are we approaching a time where we can no longer say "just support both" for the good of women's hockey? This does not mean that the NWHL does not have a voice or a role to play in all of this. I know the guys have had a lot of NWHL people on the show and have tried to send a message of "can't we support both?" PWHPA head Jayna Hefford agrees, which is a significant shift away from the "OneLeague" hashtag populating players' social media posts last year. "Why do we have to settle for just one thing?" They say that both leagues would survive but if either of them get the NHL sponsorship money we all know the other is doomed. "I think it's incredibly powerful," Hefford said. More posts from the stevedangle community, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Comments on this story are moderated according to our Submission Guidelines. A variety of newsletters you'll love, delivered straight to you. I would side where the top talent would play, and unless something changes it will be the WNHL. From a TLN perspective, I can say you can expect coverage of the Toronto event as well as the other Dream Gap Tour stops. It’s no secret that the NWHL and PWHPA have had a rift between them. 1 Minnesota vs. No. but I think its time to really seriously have a discussion on whether or not you actually can support both for the betterment of women's hockey. Their goal is a league that pays them enough to be full-time professional players, and that offers the same competitive, medical and insurance supports the male pros get. WATCH | Marie-Philip Poulin sounds off on NWHL expansion: The PWHPA intends to operate groups of 25 players out of five hub cities that include Toronto, Calgary and Montreal. Meanwhile, the PWHPA will host another showcase in New Hampshire that weekend, and then a third in Chicago from Oct. 18-20. "The national team players, it would be very easy to say 'you know what I'll just pick up my money, I'll go play in the NWHL, I have everything I need from the national program and things are good.'. There are a number of top players in the NWHL, just not all of the top player (or a majority). I think it’s great the podcast supports both too, there’s no reason to pick a side, both organisations are capable of growing women’s hockey. "It comes down to I believe in the mission that we're on. "I'd love the opportunity to keep playing. "That would be the easy decision, but for these players it's the same thing. Having both the NWHL and PWHPA is in direct opposition to having either model at 100%. Same league style, and it draws much more interest since it's still an Arsenal vs Tottenham game as opposed to two random expansion teams in the a fresh league. Last spring, after the … Adding the first Canadian team is a good look for the NWHL, but the PWHPA is unmoved. In the wake of the players involved with the #ForTheGame movement forming the PWHPA, the NWHLPA continues its push towards and preparation for the 2019-20 NWHL season. That’s huge. We need more people involved and invested in this field. Again people are skeptical. We’re … After the Lake Placid debacle, the NWHL really shot themselves in the foot, just as they were starting to get big-name sponsors. Despite similar training, the girls’ players have historically had fewer, if any, opportunities to pursue a professional career in hockey. By submitting a comment, you accept that CBC has the right to reproduce and publish that comment in whole or in part, in any manner CBC chooses. "Ten thousand dollars to someone like me to play hockey is a lot of money," the 23-year-old Williams said. 6-7 They do the exact same thing. We reserve the right to close comments at any time. I'd appreciate seeing other folks' takes. Home; Players; Regions. Please note that CBC does not endorse the opinions expressed in comments. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. The Rangers also announced a similar sponsorship not long ago. The NWHL will continue to scrape by and not pay their players a livable wage, and the PWHPA will continue to run these exhibition games but never form a proper league because the NHL wont back a league that would cannibalize the NWHL. You will have access to all PWHPA Showcase streamed games. The is an unfortunate divide between the NWHL and the PWHPA, but that shouldn’t stop fans from enjoying both the PWHPA and the NWHL, which have similar goals of a sustainable, compensated hockey league, but have different views of how to get there. I can't speak to the NWHL but from what I understand there is a decently strong following in the US already. THE PWHPA. Women's hockey league will only 'survive' with assist from NHL: Jayna Hefford, NWHL's expansion to Toronto gets mixed reviews from women players, 1 in 3 girls drops out of sports by late teens, study finds. PWHPA members on national teams have access to their respective hockey federation's resources. They had cut outs at the NWHL bubble and are now auctioning them for charity. "What I came to terms with was the idea that there's more for our game. Other PWHPA players have stated that they disagree with the NWHL's approach to growing women's hockey, calling for a less incremental approach. Putting women against women is not going to help in anyway. Welcome to the PWHPA YouTube Channel. The group that think the men's league need to come in and subsidize don't know that will ever happen. Refusing that opportunity means Richards will compete against national-team players for inclusion on the Professional Women's Hockey Players' Association's Toronto roster. The NWHL would give me the opportunity to play and be a big part of a team, versus my role in the PWHPA. It would be easy for them to go play in the NWHL and make between ten and fifteen thousand dollars and add that to their salary of whatever their full time job is. The Leafs today announced they are sponsoring the PWHPA. PWHPA players like Richards and defenders Lauren Williams of Windsor, Ont., and Melanie Desrochers of Montreal do not. "I can't tell you how many times it was a quick stop at McDonald's on the way to practice versus having a nutritionist and someone helping you out.". Fresh Attitude Salads Contest; 2021 • Secret® Dream Gap Tour. Competition in Toronto will be tight because half of the Canadian women's hockey team lives in the area. I think you make a very fair argument. Are they pressured to be one company?". When the Pegula news came out, Jack Brodt revealed to AP that the Minnesota Whitecaps never actually signed any agreement to be owned by the NWHL, which seems to have confused the NWHL front office. she asked. The biggest names in the women's game are involved in the PWHPA — Hilary Knight, Kendall Coyne Schofield, Marie-Philip Poulin and Natalie Spooner to name a few. The Rangers also announced a similar sponsorship not long ago. ", Why a Non-National Team Member chose to stay with the PWHPAhttps://t.co/kQfmGXxiMH pic.twitter.com/Re7RcAHNBn. A PWHPA team then played a team composed of Coyotes' alumni. However I wonder if its time that they take a completely neutral stance on the show. TORONTO (February 25, 2021) – The Professional Women’s Hockey Players Association (PWHPA), today announced its newest team partners and jersey designs for the 2021 Secret® Dream … Read More PWHPA’s First Secret® Dream Gap Tour Game at Madison Square Garden to be Broadcast Live on NHL Network and Sportsnet Lisa Haley Appointed NWHL Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations. When: Sunday, … The New York Rangers took an additional step by offering support to both the NWHL and PWHPA. Even though the smaller number of teams — six in the NWHL and five in the PWHPA — that lend itself to a shorter timeframe in a bubble, players would still need to take at least three weeks off work to compete. PWHPA made regional teams, so some of the PWHPA went to the NWHL. Only this time, the NWHL is that status quo, and the members of the Professional Women’s Hockey Players Association (PWHPA) are the ones choosing to look for more. Turning down an offer to play for the NWHL's Toronto Six was difficult for Kristen Richards. Turning down an offer to play for the NWHL's Toronto Six was difficult for Kristen Richards. Maybe 1 is better than the other, maybe both will fail, but we give neither the best chance to succeed when it continues to be split. PWHPA players talk the future, their upcoming games and NWHL expansion New, 5 comments Sarah Nurse, Emily Janiga and Carolyne Prévost talk about their time with the PWHPA so far. "I can't dedicate myself full-time to this sport. They've given a platform to both sides and I think they should continue to do that. The PWHPA is so strong that there’s no guarantee you’re going to make a team next year. Pride and Whitecaps reunite for Isobel Cup Final. "Sacrificing now may end up creating benefits that I never experience as a female hockey player, but I want that for the next generation coming.". Clearly teams like the Leafs and Rangers believe they cant. [24] [25] Many players also cited they wanted the National Hockey League to further support women's professional hockey, but the Buffalo Sabres and New Jersey Devils had severed their affiliations with NWHL teams in 2019. Read More. Comments are welcome while open. I feel what the PWHPA is fighting for is more my view on what professionalism is. Its a really messy situation. We need to close the gap between women’s hockey analytics and men’s hockey analytics. Now, that narrative is reaching a fever pitch, in my opinion. The Blues’ partnership with the PWHPA comes a year after St. Louis hosted the NHL’s All-Star Weekend that featured a U.S. vs. Canada women’s 3-on-3 all-star game, PWHPA players in the NHL’s Skills Competition and an investment by the Blues, NHL and Bauer Hockey to grow girls’ hockey. "To put it in laymen's terms, there's McDonald's and there's Burger King. The 27-year-old Toronto teacher was tempted by a guaranteed spot on a quality women's hockey team, plus the chance to earn a few thousand dollars. I'll be honest, I would want to watch a Habs vs Leafs woman's game more than a 6ix vs idek game. Boston Pride are 2021 Isobel Cup Champions. The parties’ “respective visions for the future of the game do not align,” in the words of PWHPA lead consultant Jayna Hefford. It doesn't seem confusing on the men's side that there's multiple professional leagues. The Professional Women’s Hockey Players Association (PWHPA) aims to fix that. The NWHL season -- sans Coyne Schofield and other stars -- is set to begin on Oct. 5. Standings & Scoring System; COVID-19 Protocols; New York Rangers Showcase • Feb. 27-28; Chicago Blackhawks Showcase • Mar. Richards illustrated the complexity of the choice for players like her in a letter posted Thursday on her Twitter account. Too bad the NWHL … The issue seems to be that the longer the NWHL scrapes by the longer it delays the possibility of the PWHPA's vision of an NHL backed women's league. "What we forget about along the way is any opportunity in women's sport right now is a good one," she said. The group says it does not believe the NWHL is a "truly professional league." And frankly I think both sides of this equation, the PWHPA and the NWHL, and we as the Pride ownership, all want the same thing. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Or like the Premier League. She states that it is not the PWHPA vs NWHL yet she went on to talk down towards it. The sudden disappearance of the CWHL led hundreds of players from both leagues to release a joint statement in May, banding together under the hashtag “#ForTheGame” and refusing to play professional hockey until their standards were met. "The challenge is in the messaging really because it's not entirely clear that all the top players are part of the PWHPA. Professional Women's Hockey Player Association • PWHPA Navigation. I don’t think they really chose a side at all just covered both (aside from not discussing barstool). I can't train like a lot of elite athletes do," Richards acknowledged. The U.S.-based NWHL, which ran a 24-game schedule last season, has expanded to Toronto. Each team in the prem has their own women's team. Add some “good” to your morning and evening. This could followed by a similar PWHPA American Classic in early December, perhaps with New Hampshire, Minnesota, PWHPA Rovers and also including a NWHL team, if the schedules can be coordinated. Audience Relations, CBC P.O. Pseudonyms will no longer be permitted. "Why are we women forced to say that we only deserve one league after all of this?". The solution could be a path none of us even know about this is not bimodal. The PWHPA is so strong that there's no guarantee you're going to make a team next year. Especially when most of the community don't agree what the best direction for the women's game is. "When you look at men's hockey, everybody knows the best players play in the NHL. You can just support women's hockey (unless you work for barstool) I don't see how picking sides helps the woman's game. The Leafs today announced they are sponsoring the PWHPA. I'm older. Almost 200 players formed the PWHPA after the Canadian Women's Hockey League folded in the spring of 2019. On the flip side, the longer the stars of women's hockey in the PWHPA sit out of the NWHL the harder it is for the NWHL to become a sustainable league. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. However, I would argue that were never going to know about either model until 1 is fully implemented. Team Canada captain believes little girls should dream of playing in a league that the PWHPA envisions. Pride and Whitecaps reunite for Isobel Cup Final. One possibility would be holding a four-team PWHPA Canadian Classic in Montreal or Toronto during November, featuring Calgary, Montreal, Toronto PWHPA and Toronto NWHL. Refusing that opportunity means Richards will compete against national-team players for inclusion on the Professional Women's Hockey Players' Association's Toronto roster. Some of the top women's hockey players have boycotted the NWHL and formed the PWHPA. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. I'm in a full-time career. Man this podcast put it’s eggs in the wrong basket.... but anyway I think women’s hockey won’t fully work until they officially partner with the NHL like the WNBA & NBA. “It’s time for a long-term, viable, professional league that will showcase the greatest product of women’s professional hockey in the world,” read the announcement. The sport and its athletes deserve it. 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