I can only speak about Babyface Pro. Aug 16, 2015 #1 Hey. Compare. And it is a perfect DAC for your Genelecs. - Why can’t I charge my iPad in Class Compliant mode?This functionality requires MFi certification with modifications in hardware and software, plus a special USB to Lightning cable. There will be no audible difference in terms of noise or distortion, but it might not have enough power to drive your HD600 to adequate levels. Differences to v 4.53: EBU R-128 Meter. Legacy build, newer drivers are version 3.x. For the main I/O RME have designed a XLR socket, which integrates seamlessly into the housing and saves space. What am I missing here? For a desktop interface, the front of the unit makes more sense to me for a headphone jack, and while the angled USB connector is nice, at least on my desk, I don't currently have room for something with cables hanging out both sides and the back. Yes, I might just give it a try, I guess that's the only real way to find out. The unit is small and compact, and extremely well made. - I like videos!We too. Will this work? Its innovative energy saving technologies provided supreme fidelity with no compromises in level, noise or distortion. The result is quite impressive. I usually record in very quiet non reflecting environments and I get a slight background hiss which i believe comes from the preamp in my recorder. The Babyface Pro FS offers the full SteadyClock FS circuit as in the ADI-2 Pro FS for lowest jitter and highest jitter immunity. The above points also led to the exclusion of Dynamics. During development we had to fight with two topics all the time – power consumption and cost. The headphone output is good for casual monitoring but doesn't have the horsepower to drive difficult or low impedance headphones. RME have paved the way for multichannel audio and were the first to deliver professional performance over USB 2.0. Babyface Pro FS ships with RME’s TotalMix FX, available for Windows and Mac OS X. > no, just the guitar directly in the BF with an unbalanced jack cable. Hopefully this will not escalate further. ADI-2 DAC FS, ADI-2 Pro FS, ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition, Babyface, Babyface Pro, Babyface Pro FS, Digiface AVB, Digiface Dante, Digiface USB, Fireface 802, Fireface UC, Fireface UCX, Fireface UFX II, Fireface UFX+, HDSP 9632, HDSP 9652, HDSPe AES, HDSPe AIO, HDSPe MADI, HDSPe MADI FX, MADIface Pro, MADIface USB, MADIface XT I usually record with levels peaking around -6 or -9dB, but last time it was -12dB. Please note: can not be run on the same computer where the host TotalMix FX is used. 24-Channel 192 kHz bus-powered This thread should provide a lot of details, questions and answers on RME’s new Babyface Pro. - Still you draw more power than the USB spec allows (500 mA).True, but you won’t find any computer these days that has a problem with that. The only criticism I would accept is that we should have had some of these ideas already with the old Babyface. The Fireface UC or UCX both feature 4 (and more) balanced outputs. Read it here: https://archiv.rme-audio.de/download/bface_pro_d.pdf, https://archiv.rme-audio.de/download/bface_pro_e.pdf, - Is the unit still the same as when presented in Frankfurt?Of course not. By the way, I don't remember well but I recall that I had more gain on the instrument jack input of my Babyface v1. TotalMix Remote V 1.20 - Program to remote control TotalMix FX via ethernet and WiFi from other devices with Windows OS (PC, Tablet). Two digitally controlled preamps provide individually switchable 48V phantom power. What happens when three incredible musicians who toured & recorded with some of the world’s most iconic bands use RME Audio? So, let’s take a look at what makes this interface so great. Mains = XLR's, Speaker B = 3+4 1/4". In a forum someone complained about the phones outputs on the right side, claiming that these have to be at the front. As this would have added substantial cost to all users, regardless if they need and use it or not, we opted to not add this functionality. This download is not TotalMix FX, which is part of the driver installation. Hi all, haven't posted much here. But now with the Babyface Pro I only have 9db max gain and it is not enough for my Fender Telecaster. ... need that info for financial tweaking! I think this capability hadn't been solidified when I saw the BF-Pro demo unit @ NAB. Displays fully configurable (e.g. Congratulations to RME with the first production Babyface Pro leaving the factory! And one correction: the stand in the video is not self-made, but available from König&Meyer, Design microphone table stand 23250). But is the BF pro daisychainable with the fireface800 in some way shape or form? For reference, here is a picture of my desk: That's the Track 16 interface wedged between my monitor and desktop speaker. The original Babyface had separate XLR balanced/TS unbalanced jacks into the same AD converter for channel 2. To utilize some extra channels if one would want to? Thank you Matthias for you help.- Guitar cable defective? Yesterday it was party time for us at RME because the first end-production and to be shipped Babyface Pro (with sleeve, manual etc.) I was wondering when the new babyface pro be released? For instance if I click on the lower part of the button I can actualy feel and hear the mechanical "click" but nothing happen. Created with the highest precision from a block of aluminium, this high-end portable interface incorporated newly designed analog and digital circuits. I record voice over / dialog and use a field recorder for easy location recording and to avoid having a computer fan turn up in the recordings. RME User Forum → FireWire & USB series → Wow, the new Babyface Pro FS Jump to forum: FireWire & USB series HDSP(e) series MADI/AES Premium Line TotalMix FX AVB/Dante - Network based devices DIGICheck ADI-2 Pro & ADI-2 DAC Vintage stuff Tips & Tricks Product Reviews, user reports, case studies, etc. Although his forté is very much in jazz music world, he is just as big a fan of rock music as he is John Coltrane! The last three questions had a common topic - cost. Regardless of the impedance, the fact that 3 & 4 take unbalanced inputs, only, is still less than ideal if you're in a high RF interference environment. The RME Babyface Pro FS is a rock-solid, 24-channel interface with a pristine sound and stunningly stable clocking abilities. I just sold my Babyface yesterday and one hour later I purchased the Babyface PRO instead. But when I select only a single coil pickup configuration I have to switch to -10 dBV and crank up the gain quite a lot. Powered by PunBB, supported by Informer Technologies, Inc. (edited by gregerlindberg 2015-07-15 22:07:14), https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=22017, https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=22162, https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=22123, https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=22009, http://www.thomann.de/de/fender_texas_s … ele_pu.htm, http://www.rockinger.com/index.php?cat= … 2213df5572, http://www.thomann.de/de/fender_squier_ … b_2013.htm. Multichannel Level Meter freely configurable. In digital audio, the clock frequency is an essential factor, as it creates the correlation between the audio bits and the time reference. The official shipment is in about two weeks, producing many BF Pros until then, and will be sent out all over the world. - Other threads about the Babyface Pro so far: https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=22017https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=22162https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=22123https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=22009. Record functionality Global Record. The FPGA-based DSP mixer adds a flexible, 3-band parametric equalizer to all inputs and outputs. I am wondering if I could use a Babyface Pro to improve the audio quality of the recordings I make with my Roland R-26 field recorder? Simply because they come with a hefty price tag, and once you played around with the new 4 bar LED display (which is even optimized for low current consumption) you will realize that it is all you need. I will follow your advice and will bring the unit back to the shop this week. - Can I use two headphones at the same time, and why aren’t both outputs low impedance?The headphones get the same signal (channels 3/4), but have separated driver circuits, so one isn’t affecting the other, two headphones is no problem. Noob question: why does the gain is limited to 9dB for these 3&4 line input? Optional Correlator. RME Babyface Pro or Focusrite Scarlett? Yes, but you can also use most other similar power supplies for it (in case you have one lying around). But the final product is just worth everything that we had to fight with during development. Full SteadyClock FS circuit as in the ADI-2 Pro FS for lowest jitter and highest jitter immunity. I set the channel to +4 dBu with 0 dB gain. - When is it shipping?We cannot give an exact date, currently it is said end of June. I currently have the Sennheisers HD650's and they are 300 ohm. RME never stops development nor adding improvements, new ideas and useful features. Karl Latham is one of the world's most respected drummers. I haven't checked here for a while. If you have a mix of different tracks and you are using comp, eq, etc .. then the signals add up. Your telecaster should reach 0 dBFS already at +4 with 6 dB Gain. We wanted to improve the technical specifications, lower THD, increase I/O levels, add 2 analog channels, add more LEDs and buttons – but still tried to keep the mobile aspect of having it run bus powered on every computer without an additional, external power supply. (10/05/2020). They are separated inputs with their own ADC, no longer using the mic preamp channel. We place a high level of attention on the development of reliable, stable, and regularly updated drivers for our products and an unwavering focus on audio quality. You can increase the effect by adding a spiral sticker as known from the Time Tunnel tv classics. At 64 samples though - it's a whole different story. Clicks and pops occur after 25ish tracks or so, but then again, it varies. But I do not know if the X-Fi can play out 192 kHz via its optical port. - Why didn’t you use a nice modern LCD or even touch screen as display? All the above improvements were achieved without raising the units power consumption. These circuits feature a gain range of 76 dB, adjustable in steps of 1 dB, including a relay-driven PAD, resulting in exceptional EIN (Equivalent Input Noise) performance as well as line overload protection, and enough gain for even the lowest level microphones. And do you have any other tips on using the Babyface Pro for recording in standalone mode? Or a second more expensive product line with MFi onboard (similar to Apogee)? - Does turning the wheel too much make me feel dizzy?Definitely. Thanks for your reply Max! Now if you don't have 4 lineout you have to give us a way to use that card 4 out with djmixers and that both channel sound exactly the same.. TELL ME HOW!!!??? Foot pedal in-between? This unit is more fun than anything else we ever built. The general setup here remains largely unchanged from the original Babyface. I sold my old babyface and I can't wait! I previously owned a Multiface and a Fireface 800 (RME addicted). I may have the opportunity to try 3 other electric guitars today, I will keep you informed. The two headphone outputs, offering TRS and mini-jack sockets in parallel, have completely separate driver stages to perfectly match low and high impedance headphones, guaranteeing pristine sonic results no matter what type of headphone is used. I was able to set up the gain to reach the -3db with my guitar without any problem. If you only need analog outputs for monitors and phones, but no routing capability, then you could also consider to get I got my Babyface Pro last week and I am totally in love with it. And yes, they are unbalanced. As it was a cheap Squier ("bad weather and backup guitar") I decided to use pickups of higher quality and higher output. Like many people in the music industry, mastering engineer / voice instructor, and music educator Glenn Clancy works in a variety of disciplines. Needless to say, it was totally unexpected, and had my jaw dropped to the floor. Haha, thats the least thing i am... And i cant seem to change it either.. The comprehensive feature set continues with an optical TOSLINK I/O; use as either an ADAT port with SMUX support or SPDIF for sessions up to 192 kHz. Finally the output impedance of 3.5 mm TRS was lowered from 2 Ohms to 0.1 Ohms. A guitar with such low output level seems not normal to me. The clever user interface is informative and clearly laid out. The device looks great and robust. My original point stands: I understand the need for an unbalanced input for people connecting electric guitars directly. It would, however, be nice to get even cleaner audio to begin with - unless adding an external preamp would end up complicating things too much. Created with the highest precision from a block of aluminum, this high-end portable interface incorporated newly designed analog and digital circuits. Take the Babyface Pro in your hand, and a fraction of a second later you know you got the real deal. When I got my 1st Telecaster it also sounded a little bit thin to me. Please login or register. - How come the new BF Pro can work more reliable on USB bus power when it even draws more current than the old one?The old Babyface had ‘simpler’ line regulators and tried to work as good as it could with the power coming out of the USB socket. The BF Pro manual has a detailed description about using it in stand-alone mode. The input 3 & 4 are two instrument/line inputs. I make a noise profile in post and when I reduce the slight hiss with 9dB or so, I am usually quite satisfied with the result. So we took our first final samples to the Frankfurt Musikmesse to show them to the public, and got much more positive feedback than we ever expected. As for conversion quality, there is no known issue that needs to be "fixed". As long as THD and SNR are as expected (looooow) it will work in the same way as an input having only 10 kOhm input impedance. The small TRS output delivers only +7 dBu output level, therefore the short circuit protection can be much smaller, in this case 2 Ohms. You are great keepers of secrets over in RME land! RME devices are designed to conserve music as it is. Please note: the new Babyface Pro FS is not yet in, but still fair enough for a comparison and to get the overview. Here is one in English and one in German that give a good impression and overview on the Babyface Pro. Latest generation low latency AD/DA converters, combined with RME’s unique SteadyClock FS technology, result in exceptional specifications that will satisfy the most demanding of professionals. My only complaint regarding the design is the two buttons SELECT and DIM that are not very accurate. Depending on the internal design and components of the R-26, you might achieve better sound quality with the Babyface Pro. Dumb question i guess. Seriously pondering upgrading my trusty old MF-I in my home Desktop DAW PC with the BF-Pro when they become readily available. I CANT BELIEVE YOU DIDNT GIVE 4 balanced line out.. that card would be perfect for live use with dj mixers but it need 4 balanced out but now it's just a real mess of compromise.. Also the dac of the babyface was quite harsh and the good reviews about it was clearly made by deft peoples. Along with that I also used a wiring with 4-way switch that additionally allows to put the 2 PUs in series which even delivers a little bit more output. I'm sure there are also a lot of videographers that would rejoice if that happened. and uses same output op-amps as ADI-2 Pro now. Created with the highest precision from a block of aluminum, this high-end portable interface incorporated newly designed analog and digital … MIDI I/O via an included breakout cable completes the package. RME sets the performance bar at "very competent" and easily meets that with Babyface Pro FS. Support for Fireface 400, newer Fireface 800 drivers, HDSP series WDM driver. They are not "optimum" (to me), and present difficulties in conditions such as where I live: The Tropics. Babyface Pro FS ships with RME’s TotalMix FX, available for Windows and Mac OS X. I feel like I'm missing something. An iOS version is available as well. You really need Dynamics? We'll see.). This helps to optimize recordings and mixes because the soundstage has more depth and clarity. Yes. Like you said, all the level seems to match: I don't know. :-) There appears to be an empty void between budget field recorders made by Zoom, Tascam and Roland and the very expensive professional grade recorders from Sound Devices. Other manufacturers have combination XLR/TS jacks, with the XLR balanced and the TS unbalanced. All I can say is that, while I value his friendship, I don’t want to give it back. Independent stereo submixes plus a comprehensive Control Room section offer unrivalled monitoring capabilities and unsurpassed routing flexibility. If not, when is it suposed to take place? Was lucky enough to see the BF-Pro demo @ NAB in April (also got to meet Jeff Peterson - What a great guy! Farther than any other audio interface. Please note that using a guitar you need quite some headroom. Setting it to -10 dBV with 9 dB gain means 18 dB lower level! Excellent, thank you for that! I am wondering if I have a "bad" unit but it was actualy the last one in stock at my local shop so I didn't get the chance to check another unit. At +4 dBu with 0 dB gain they will match, nearly same I/O level. The final aluminum halfs, top and bottom, receive a special surface treatment similar to sand-blasting. I used a Bare Knuckles Brown Sugar pickup set on my Telecaster. It allows fully independent routing and mixing of input and playback channels to all physical outputs. Surround Audio Scope with ITU weighting. The Babyface Pro has a gain range of 76dB (65dB in 1dB steps + 11dB PAD to offset that range). Babyface Pro FS. Better SNR, THD, professional I/O levels, more powerful phones output, stunning frequency response and top-notch stable operation were more important to us than the three topics raised above. - How far can I throw the device? Hello, I have just received a Babyface Pro FS and I'm using it on a Windows 10 computer. That's all. 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