This page was last modified on 8 April 2023, at 23:14. The robot mode scaling is generally very consistent to the chosen source, but there are still a few oddities, particularly when dealing with older figures being reissued or redecoed after MP-10. Scale in Transformers is inconsistent to put it mildly. vehicles forms G1 (1984) - Freightliner cabover RID (2001) - Hino Brandlier fire engine Armada (2002) - Semi-truck Cybertron (2005) - Futuristic fire truck/aircraft Tranformers - DOTM (2007 -11) - 1997 Peterbilt 379 semi-truck These discrepancies are also seen in the other Scramble City-style combiners with Earth altmodes, whose toys are all smaller than similar earlier toys. Then again, the vehicles pose even more problems: Prowl, who still sports car kibble, rides a motorcycle, Wheeljack (who used to transform into a car himself) drives a sports car, and Optimus Prime steers a massive 18-wheeler truck, despite his own chest still being the front end of a truck cab. In fact, they actually seem to increase their mass when changing from aerial vehicles into muscle cars. Skyquake is slightly taller than Prime. Height Chart | Transformers Prime: RP Transformers Prime: RP Transformers Prime: RP OOC Fun stuff Height Chart Members Search We are a literate, intermediate to advanced AU Transformers RPG Based off of the first season of TFP with dashes of other incarnations sprinkled here or there. Transformers fiction commonly shrinks or inflates characters, relative to their toy sizes. From left to right, Here is the unofficial chart the Generation 1 Decepticons. Though the keys are successfully gathered, Megatron gains possession of them and attempts to use the Omega Lock tocyberformEarth, forcing Optimus to destroy the Lock to save Earth. In panel art, characters are usually visible (albeit small) compared to him but even if they only came up to his foot, they'd still have to be dozens of meters taller than they really are to even show up on panel. The movie universe characters aren't immune to scale issues, either; the Dinobots are way out of proportion compared to their real-life counterparts; such as Strafe (who is far too big for a Pteranodon compared to his allies), and Scorn (who isn't quite as problematic; though a real Spinosaurus had shorter legs, making his proportions more of an issue than actual scale). Multiple toy sizes are generally irrelevant to the fiction, though the Cybertron cartoon featured Starscream inflating to planetary size, presumably in response to the super-large "King Starscream" toy available at the time. Where would we keep it? The Mini-Cons of the Unicron Trilogy are another race of small robots who stand approximately the same height as humans and, like the Micromasters before them, are clearly modeled to carry passengers. Full-Tilt, Six-Gun, and Slammer must logically be building-sized in robot mode to be in-scale with Trypticon and Metroplex, but, again, are not drawn as such. For example, the first wave of Classics Deluxes featured Autobots Bumblebee and Rodimus, two cars, as well as Decepticons Starscream, a modified F-15 Eagle fighter jet, and Astrotrain, a Triple Changer who turns into a bullet train locomotive and a modified NASA Space Shuttle orbiter, all roughly the same size in robot mode but obviously not the same scale in their alternate modes. The Titans Return version of Broadside actually makes it worse: The figure includes tiny versions of the Aerialbots (styled specifically after their Combiner Wars alternate modes) to place on various spots on his aircraft carrier mode, but at the same time this Broadside is also a Headmaster with a Titan Master figure that can ride inside his jet mode's cockpit, arguably making the Titan Master alone larger than the Combiner Wars Aerialbots' Superion gestalt form if scale were to be taken at face value and yet the entire play pattern of the Titans Return line explicitly calls for Broadside and his Titan Master Blunderbuss to be compatible and interchangeable with any other figure and Titan Master in the line, most of whom are supposed to be much smaller in scale. Sometimes the cartoon would show ordinarily-scaled characters such as Cyclonus, Thrust or Huffer carrying another Transformer in their cockpit, implying either a tiny passenger or a huge vehicle. Transformers: The Headmasters scale charts: Shouki: 5 m Razorclaw: 5.5 m Mindwipe: 5.5 m Zarak: ~5.5 m Highbrow: 5.5 m Springer: 6 m Weirdwolf: 6 m Skullcruncher: 6 m Optimus Prime: 6 m Rodimus Prime: 6 m Hardhead: 6 m Cerebros: 6 m Brainstorm: 6 m Galvatron: 6 m Ultra Magnus: ~7 m Grimlock: 7 m Cyclonus: 7 m Sixshot: 7 m Devastator: ~16 m His cab is 1/48 scale, but his trailer is closer in scale to the Autobot Cars, which fall more in the neighborhood of 1/35 to 1/40 scale-wise. Therefore, Rhinox is a rather small rhinoceros (he's roughly the correct size for a Sumatran rhinoceros, but seriously undersized for a white rhinoceros, the two living species of rhinos with two horns and more or less the same head shape as his beast-mode), and Optimus Primal is a roughly normal gorilla. I recall reading years ago that Bayverse Optimus stood at somewhere between 28' - 32' tall, and that Bayverse Megatron stood supposedly at 35' feet tall (according to magazine articles and TFWiki). In the ensuing confrontation, Silas is fatally injured, forcing MECH to graft him into Breakdown. Autobot scale chart for The Transformers: The Movie, Chart of planets seen in The Movie relative to Earth, Season 3 scale for Rodimus, Predaking, Trypticon and Metroplex, Unicron compared to Jupiter, Metroplex next to the Akashi Kaikyo Bridge from Hobby Japan, Seasons 1 & 2 scales published in The Ark, Comparison of Fortress Maximus, Metroplex, Raiden, Chromedome, Wheelie and Daniel from the magazine, Scale chart for the Pretenders and Seacons, Scale chart for the Pretenders and their human forms, Maximal beast mode scale chart. After Megatron's revival, Starscream flees after showing he is unable to prove his loyalty to theDecepticon leader. Devastator (G1) - Transformers Wiki The Generation 1 Marvel comic is notorious for changing the relative sizes of various characters. The line eschewed Micromasters and Battle . In toy form, Lockdown's small alternate mode means you can either set his Deluxe-sized toy against a Voyager-or-smaller Prime for correct robot mode scale, or against a Leader-sized Prime toy for correct vehicle mode scale - but obviously not both! It also creates issues since most incarnations of Headmasters are shown as interchangeable, suggesting that the toys are indeed meant to be about the same size, even if one is a car and the other is a dual-rotor copter. The Combaticons are wildly out of scale to each otherBlast Off's Space Shuttle mode should dwarf Swindle, with the others somewhere in between. Prime Spark). After the Decepticons kidnapRatchetto help in their plan, the Autobots assault theNemesisand capture the ship, killing Megatron before he can use the Omega Lock to cyberform Earth. He devastates things. With fighter jet alternate modes, the Seekers should be among the largest everyday Transformers and would tower over their Autobot adversaries; instead, the animation depicts characters such as Thundercracker and Wheeljack as about the same height. Here it is: https://www.deviantart.com/kaijuattack877/art/Transformers-Evolution-Megatron-Size-Chart-742007022?comments_view=1, It does not include Transformers Prime Megatron 2.0. The Autobots regroup followingUltra Magnus's arrival, whileSmokescreenrestores Optimus with theForge of Solus Prime. Even Omega Supreme, who is supposed to be huge, would have to have a greatly expanded scale for his rocket ship component to accommodate passengers as shown on the cartoon. I personally think he is much taller than Optimus 2.0. Numerous characters are explicitly shown to shrink or expand at various times. In their interactions with adult anthropoids, the Transformer characters seem between twice and three times their height. Transformers Prime Scale Chart | TFW2005 - The 2005 Boards However, thanks to the scaling up of the arthropod characters, it is relatively safe to assume that the Transformers generally scanned only animal forms and then rescaled them to fit their own size - additionally, they were not so much attempting to disguise themselves, as to protect themselves from an excess of Energon. Cheetor and Tigatron are shown standing next to real members of their species, and they are both the same size as the animals in question. Height Chart | Transformers Prime RP - ProBoards There's also Blackjack and Powerglide, both of whom are smaller than their teammates when the former should be the same size and the latter larger. Transformers Alternate Mode Chart (All Michael Bay - YouTube Between the Great War and the Beast Era, the majority of the Cybertronian race considerably downgraded in size at the Great Upgrade. The final line in the trilogy, Kingdom introduced Beast Wars characters into the mix, which hoooo boy. I found this scale chart of the various heights of Megatron on Deviantart; credits to KaijuATTACK877. When interacting with the Autobot technology of the Ark and the Autobot shuttle, the Maximals are often dealing with equipment grossly oversized for them (standing on the chairs to reach the controls, turning knobs the size of their heads); yet the Ark also seems to feature some human-sized computer control panels. There's also debate about whether Frenzy's head could compact itself into a slim mobile phone. Prime Master Class at US$6.99 Legends Class, at US$9.99 Deluxe Class, at US . The depiction of Unicron's scale in Armada was (debatably) a slight improvement, in that physical interaction with normal beings was not attempted. A rare exception is live-action Blackout, who came with a tiny (and correctly scaled) version of Scorponok. are used in official product descriptions and press releases, and have since been adopted by the fandom. Size class - Transformers Wiki the tabletop game advertised by this artwork, Development history of the A-10 Thunderbolt II, Bob Forward gives Rattrap's height from the show bible, BotCon 98 report - see "ON THE SIZES OF CHARACTERS", Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com, https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Scale&oldid=1684150. Notably, Optimus Prime gains an extra twelve feet when he wears a corpse. Devastator is an immensely powerful warrior, and in that sense the combination of the Constructicons into a merged being is a huge success. One of the more popular play patterns in the line's history is that of the driver figure: a small figure, usually a human or one of the various -Master configurations, who is capable of fitting inside the figure and driving it. In fact when the Combaticons form him in Chapter X they are clearly swelling in size. That said, it does also mean that fans attempting to create "scale-accurate" collections do have more options: for instance, Starscream's releases at the Voyager pricepoint struggle to scale with the standard Deluxe-class cars, but his Leader-class incarnation is much closer. Although this was intended to show that the planet was technological in nature, it makes little sense, as the structures would have to be the size of small nations to be visible. While the bug characters such as Waspinator and Inferno are obviously scaled-up, other characters are more subtly not quite the right size. In the Aligned continuity, the Thirteenth Prime is better known as Optimus Prime, the current leader of the Autobots and protector of the universe. Scale charts - Transformers Wiki However, Metroplex, during his one, brief appearance, was depicted as being immensely larger, crushing Quintesson attack cruisers under foot without batting an eyelid. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Jason Park, background design for "Orion Pax, Part 3". Though different stories have compared Cybertron/Primus and Unicron to drastically different real planets, the fact remains that they are planets, and yet are shown in such insane scale to characters as to suggest they are the size of a very small moon (or space station). The scale of characters such as the original Dinobots, Hot Rod or Leobreaker is fairly arbitrary and can only be estimated by their relative size to other characters within the fiction, although most fiction is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). I've gotten MULTIPLE production charts from here in North America and from sources in Japan! The Supreme size toy was so large it could not interact with most of the other toys from the line (based on the cartoon, he's maaaaybe in scale with Nightscream and Air Attack Optimus Primal, the latter of whom wasn't released until three years later). report. Characters from any continuity are welcome however must be restyled to match the TFPrime universe. An "earth mover"-type dump truck that should be about the same size as the excavator forms one tiny leg, while the other leg is formed by a bulldozer that should be slightly smaller. The cast of Beast Wars were size-tweaked quite a bit, relative to the toyline. That said, the Stunticon molds don't scale well with anyone else bar Groove, and Silverbolt remains tiny; seemingly the only character in-scale with his mold is maybe Sky Lynx. For example, Cosmos is much shorter than Blaster in robot form; yet Blaster easily fits within his spacecraft mode. Autobot Outpost Omega Oneis located in a convertedmissilesilo inNevadaprovided by theUnited Statesgovernment, with Special AgentWilliam Fowleracting as their liaison. However, given that a working interior that can fit an entire to-scale humanoid would likely compromise a lot of the engineering, many figures designed with this play feature in mind have the driver be far too small in comparison to their vehicle. Octane's original body transforms from a 20-meter (60-foot) tanker truck into a 65-meter (200-foot) jumbo jet. Though the Recon Team all originate from Gigantion, and seeing how partnered Mini-Cons seem to change size to fit their larger companions, a little size shift to accommodate a passenger doesn't seem too far-fetched compared to other scale issues. With this new body, Silas destroys his own organization and attempts to join the Decepticons, only to becomeKnock Out's new dissection study. Unfortunately, for practical reasons this limited the choice of altmodes. Sometimes artists draw a character at a different size intentionally. For example, on the cover of the first issue of the original Transformers comics series, Optimus Prime is extremely huge compared to the highway, bridge, and normal cars (Laserbeak is bigger than usual, too). Indeed, given that the lines all share a 1:24 scale, they actually scale well with each other. Optimus Prime is also usually shown as only a head or so shorter than Magnus (if that), which gets very strange when you realize that a redeco of Prime's toy forms but a small part of Magnus' robot mode. In the second season, the show's aforementioned budget problems were the cause of some of the most common complaints: in addition to necessitatingtwoclip shows(an all-but-extinct concept in cartoons in the 2010s), the cashflow crisis caused several plot threads to suddenly be dropped or truncated in order to shrink the cast;BreakdownandAirachnidwere abruptly killed or written out (respectively) despite being a feature of active subplots in order to eliminate the cost of their celebrity voice actors, as were characters performed by actors that were not part of the "main" cast, likeSilas,Hardshell, andDreadwing. Further, Cheetor and Tigatron's toys use the same (Deluxe) mold, but Tigatron is a head taller in the show (both because tigers are larger than cheetahs, and because Cheetor is "a kid"). Did Devastator shrink? Transformers are currently formalised to a variety of size classes, which dictate the approximate cost and dimensions of a figure. Fan Art. Conversely, Bumblebee is sometimes shown only a few feet taller than an average human, while in reality he would be 35 m (10'15') tall (the Marvel comic actually states he's 15' tall Plight of the Bumblebee!). When the Decepticons resurface, the Autobots take three child witnesses,Jack Darby,Miko Nakadai, andRaf Esquivelunder their protection. Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or similar) alternate modes, but whose toys are different sizes. However, the considerable and varied scale problems of Transformers still merit description. Of the Maximals featured in the show, the tallest character, Silverbolt, is the shortest toy, while the diminutive Nightscream is a massive Ultra-class toy. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Please check this timestamped video for further clarification: https://youtu.be/VKs7jisImJE?t=305. In recent years, the "collector-aimed" mass-retail lines have made attempts to stick to an internally consistent scale (while still adhering to price points), largely based on the characters' robot mode depictions in media. Here is the height chart for the leaders in "TRANSFORMERS - Reddit Whereas Fortress Maximus includes a Headmaster figure of Spike, who turns into the head of Cerebros (whose toy is roughly the same size as the regular 1987 Headmasters toys), who in turn becomes the head of Fortress Maximus, Scorponok merely comes with Zarak (whose figure is the same size as Fortress Maximus's Spike), who turns into a tiny head for Scorponok, covered up by a large helmet. Even so, it would take something along the lines of the grossly undersized depictions of Unicron (see below) to even begin to reasonably represent the colossal size of a transformed city. The Autobots and Decepticons' struggle becomes a competition for Cybertronian artifacts strewn across the planet, which turn out to have been placed there byAlpha Trion, who foresaw the Autobots coming to Earth. So in Hasbro terms, a Deluxe-sized fighter jet and a Deluxe-sized motorcycle are both considered the same "scale". The characters with roleplay altmodes such as Generation 1 Megatron, Soundwave, Perceptor, or Armada Laserbeak are scaled to be real-world human-scale (well, kid-scale). Guess Who the Mecannibals Are Having for Dinner? While this introduces a nice range of options for the discerning collector, it can also lead to some problems. Sometimes, they are even out of scale in their own team; Bruticus's torso is an anti-aircraft truck, while one of his limbs is a Space Shuttle and another is a two-person offroad vehicle. 70 comments. The list of authors can be seen in the page history. Posted by 6 days ago. Some of these were published in the character model guides The Ark and The Ark II. The following year, the Generation-1-based War for Cybertron Trilogy continued the robot-mode scale trend, with the opening series Siege roughly scaling characters according to the original cartoon's animation models. He's drawn small because he's a human-friendly character, and a junior member of the Autobots. This is a visual cheat so the glasses are visible to the audience, and other visual cheats to make the robots seem shorter or taller were used in the movies. Scan this QR code to download the app now, https://www.deviantart.com/kaijuattack877/art/Transformers-Evolution-Megatron-Size-Chart-742007022?comments_view=1. His brain module, for instance, is consistently depicted as being only a few times bigger than Windblade as opposed to the city block-sized machine it would "realistically" be. The Marvel Generation 1 comic sidestepped this issue by depicting Trypticon, Fortress Maximus, and Scorponok as merely "large-standard" characters. Transformers Size Comparison ANIMATION 2021 Optimus PRIME Transformers Evolution Optimus Prime Size Chart - DeviantArt Likewise, Defensor features a motorcycle and a helicopter as limbs that are inexplicably the same size. So, at least in that micro-continuity, they were human-sized or Powermaster Optimus Prime is the size of Devastator. The new peace doesn't last, as Cybertron's revival reawakens the slumbering Unicron, who takes Megatron's lifeless body as his own and seeks to destroy Primus. This concept is lampshaded in the credits of War for Cybertron, where Bumblebee pulls up, and the entire Autobot cast of the game step out of his passenger door, clown car style. For example, Prowl was shown to grow several times his normal size when forming the head of Devastator in Robots In Disguise. E.g., Blaster's toy, in robot mode, is taller than most other Transformers. The line attempts to maintain media-based robot-mode scale between the respective casts, but just kind of ignores the obvious scale issues between putting Generation 1 characters alongside Beast Wars characters. His Armada toy is notoriously covered in Mini-Con ports, despite the fact that Unicron's very nature as a character suggests that any Mini-Con large enough to Powerlinx with him would have to be about the size of Argentina. For example, Optimus Prime is routinely shown as thoroughly gargantuan, several stories in height, and capable of cradling humans in his palm. If one takes James Robert's measurements into account (but then, the Lost Light has its own fair share of scaling problems), this would make him and some of the other Titans approximately 15 miles high in robot mode taller than Manhattan Island is long! Thus, Bumblebee comes up to Wheeljack's waist, which is show-accurate, but results in Bumblebee turning into a very small Volkswagen Beetle; were vehicle mode scale used, Bumblebee would actually be slightly larger. Anyone looking within the toyline for notions of a "correct" scale between the characters would be stymied by the multiple size classes and the lack of real-world scale references. In fact, Animated is one of those toylines where you're not quite sure who you're supposed to base correct scale on. Multiple-scale characters usually aren't meant to cross-interact. and our Other multiple-toy scale differences include intentionally simplified forms, such as the Fast Action Battlers, which simply make all the characters the same size, with no attempt at matching scales. 2y. Scale when it comes to planets is so fraught it's painful. Non-show characters such as Spinister used other media, namely IDW Publishing. The movie circumvents this problem by adding additional construction vehicles in the mix, which are ignored by the toy line. The Legends Class version of Devastator only adds another dump truck for the torso, which doesn't really improve things since all the individual components are still more or less the same size. The Autobots also contend with the human terrorist organization,MECH, headed by former military operative Leland Bishop, akaSilas, who targets the Cybertronians for their technology, capturingBreakdown,Bumblebee, and Starscream for parts, and building adoppelgngercontrolled by Silas. The other explanation is that the artists hoped the audience wouldn't notice. The Micromasters are explicitly downsized Transformers, roughly the size of a human in the comics, meaning that they should have explicitly tiny vehicle modes which wouldn't make for very convincing disguises. Scorponok has a "human-sized" being forming his head. Ravage-Cassette tape. Welcome to Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki. The movie-franchise toys, meanwhile, are only intermittently consistent (particularly since some of the secondary ones are redecos of toys from previous lines), with the largest contrast among the "primary" toys being between Deluxe Class Arcee, a motorcycle, and Voyager Class Decepticons with helicopters as their alternate modes, such as Blackout and Incinerator. So either Fortress Maximus is supposed to tower over Scorponok, or Zarak grows in size during his transformation into Scorponok's head. Some scale problems are for the sake of characterization. Although the Beast Warriors are consistent day-to-day in their relative size to each other (a consistency made more easy to achieve thanks to CGI used to animate), their scale in relation to their real-world animal equivalents is more complex. Megatron responds by destroying the Autobot base, and Optimus is mortally wounded staying behind to ensure everyone else escapes through theGroundBridge. Other instances of multiple-size characters are more clear cut; the Spychanger incarnations of various 2001 Robots in Disguise characters, for instance, are simply scaled-down representations of the same characters in the same bodies, not meant to interact with the much larger "main" toys, as are the later "Legends of Cybertron" toys in Cybertron. (Consisted of two Toys "R" Us exclusive Cybertron redecoes.) Some fans interpret the many otherwise-unexplained scale issues above to all be the result of size changing, but this is debatable. One possible reason for this is that one of them would be considerably smaller than the other one in real life if they were perfectly in scale. So, probably close to or at 40ft. Super mode Powermaster Optimus Prime was originally about Fortress Maximus-sized, until he too shrunk to the size of his inner robotwhich was never seen again. There's simply no positive evidence that size-changing is so widespread. Obviously I own nothing. In the case of the Headmaster figures, the Headmasters set a rather consistent scale to their toys, but one that raises a lot of questions. (Admittedly the GT Sisters are non-human Cybertronians, despite appearances, but this definitely smacks of fiction working to explain the toyline's scale issue.). Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. With the vehicles as a frame of reference, it seems we should take it as fact that all of the Action Masters are literally the same size, even characters such as Bumblebee and Devastator. Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Bountyan, Oct 23, 2011. Imagine him trying to devour a star the size of Betelgeuse! Thus, in the context of Transformers, "city" is perhaps better read as "building" or "fortress". The opposite problem is seen with Masterpiece Megatron, whose robot mode is in scale with Masterpiece Optimus Prime. Even when toys with considerable size differences are sold in the same pack, combinations such as a Leader-sized Optimus Prime (which would be in scale with Deluxe-sized Autobots with car alternate modes) with the much smaller Legends Class versions of Bumblebee and Jazz or the large Ultimate Bumblebee toy with the much smaller Deluxe-sized toys of Scorponok (who should be roughly the same size as Bumblebee) and Brawl (who should be considerably larger than either of them) are fairly common. I finished half of a 10th Anniversary piece for TF Prime! Likewise, the Beast Era Maximals and Predacons possess roughly human-size bodies; yet when portrayed as vehicles on Cybertron ("Dawn of Future's Past", the Vehicons in Beast Machines), they feature seats and cockpits that, at their size, should be basically useless. The heights between Optimus and Megatron - TFW2005 Blaster becomes a human-scale radio; Megatron shrinks into a handgun scaled for either Transformer or human hands, depending on the situation.
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