Not only him, but the church and the people there. Wait? When we finally got to my parents, I figured I was safe so I started again. Our church pastor growing up would talk about disciplining according to emotional age, not actual age. After we got home, I received the worst spanking I have ever received to this day! However, since it would not be good to, myself, come across as as condescending, I will not do that. I have always made a point of emphasizing how much I love and respect him for being our HOH and not falling into the trap that other men do. General: Dont like scripture when it disagrees with your prejudices, you guys, do you? The worst things always begins with good intentions, but it only takes a couple of fixes to totally corrupt Gods truth and turn order into confusion. Certain things like really bad attitude, yelling at anyone in the house, throwing a fit when mad, or being disrespectful (especially in front of others) will all add up to a bad whippin after a while. Instead, they wanted to know what I had done wrong to need to be punished and felt that I had abandoned my wedding vows when I left him. Were you homeschooled or was homeschooling prominent in your church? There is no, Well you missed a load of laundry, or The dishes are dirty type spanks in our home. What is Christian domestic discipline Christian Domestic Discipline - 09-23-2011, 11:08 PM. I suggest that there is no sin in anger born of grief. And let me be clear what I mean by 100 percent submission. Im arguing that the word discipline entails a superior/inferior relationship and therefore not true consent. I would like to give a example: The husband asked the wife to wash the dishes she said tomorrow that resulted in a spanking. When Jamin came home with a new laptop and never mentioned it to her she was trying to keep him accountable. We are touching, hugging, playfully spanking, and making more love than ever before. People wanna chop their weenie, so thats what they do. What 100% submission means is these wives have eliminated the phrase I am not comfortable with that from their speech to their husbands. Tell him to clear off out of your life. Although it is still a hot topic between parents throughout the web. When I was a little girl, I was a quiet little sweetheart who was pleasing to be around. Claire Roise: Oppressed and Defenseless Women within the Church, Flying Free: Help for Survivors of Emotional Abuse, Lori Anne Thompson on Clergy Sexual Misconduct. Often, my HOH goes with my ideas. In addition, they were ostracized by the faith community which was one of the few means of assistance for the poor. This is just like disciplining kids, just discipline. When I see how women have been treated like objects by people who demand to have an authority position over their wives, demand obedience, demand submission, presume to be an intermediary to God. When it comes to twisting, and even mistranslating, Scripture it is amazing how [s]ome people believe with great fervor preposterous things that just happen to coincide with their self-interest. Coleman v. CIR (791 F.2d 68 at 69 (7th Cir. But when you seriously contend that there mere fact that our Lord appeared first to women and told them to tell the men negates the creation ordinance, Deborahs curse of wimpy Barak and the clear words of the Holy Spirit on this subject through the Apostle Paul, then I suggest you have really lost touch with the will of God. There are millions of non christians practicing domestic discipline, and millions of Christians practicing it too. I am not estranged from my parents but I did not get their support. Thats too much? Interesting. Im wondering what their thoughts were on it? Ben is a very strict HOH, and I love him very much because of it. Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline Dont just believe what an individual survivor tells you: though survivors have much wisdom based on their own experiences, their own experiences may not be generalisable to others completely, and this applies ESPECIALLY in regards to legal options. I see no interest whatsoever on your side on actually studying what you are talking about. I think its reasonable to suggest that people choosing this lifestyle put much more thinking into their relationships and are more intellectually alert than the average person going the default way. Gods judgments from Gen 3:14 3:17 set matters straight, and gave the man more work into the bargain. And, isnt that just your whole argument? . 1. Webchristian domestic discipline; Corset Waist Training; Deep Thoughts; Exercise and Chocolate; Fiction; maintenance; marriage; my submissiveness; Orgasm Control; Pierced Nipples; Punishment; Spanking; Submission; swingers Classical Conversations #7: Business or a Non-Profit; Cult or a Christian HomeschoolGroup? You have made my point. The wife-beater will remember our image before he raises his hand to punch his wife, not after he is jailed. This makes it all more more important for the victim and her supporters to be persistent in calling for help, and politely pressing for the workers and the justice system to do what they can do. Somewhere out there, a guy is trotting around his living room on all fours, wearing a leather thong and nothing else but a saddle on his back. However you are not free to force your religious views on others. Bike Bubba My father told me the pain I caused my mother when she gave birth to me pleased him. Are you able to support yourself okay? Sex is much deferent for women than it is for men, it is often miserable, especially when the vomit on you thinks you have to be submissive to him like a dog or sex slave, and you cant tell him no! What youre asking for is a form Benevolent Sexism. What you got for American never married women over the age of 40, including ones who are not under their fathers care? its the samething a guy who punched his wife in the face would say. Does he get a spanking too? When the man takes charge and makes really good, well-thought-out (and prayed for) decisions, its pretty easy for 2. Building an adult-adult relationship with parents is a difficult transition, but it can be done. If I put my wife in a french maid or indian princess outfit, am I not seeing, at least in part, a french maid or indian princess? This posthas been very difficult for me emotionally. I have traveled to Africa, Asia, and many parts of the world. So what you hear from a survivor in one State or one County or one Country, may not necessarily apply in your friends case. For playing against human nature is playing against the pursuit of happiness, you will never deter people from seeking it. Yes, I believe there is a cut off line as to how old a child should be when he gets a spanking though. Just as our Lord washed the feet of His disciples, it wasnt to show that He was beneath them, but to show that real leadership serves. Regina, christianforums.net, 9. BeenThereDoneThat, No, actually, you cant. That is called assault and battery and is illegal. But to broaden that out and say that no woman should ever be spanked tramples on individual conscience. Can a Domestic Discipline Relationship be loving? He has this idea that he loves to spoil me sometimes but will never have a spoiled wife. I love them but our relationship is often strained. You said, Because, Julie Anne, is that not what you feel about any woman who wants to give her husband the authority to lead, let alone any women who would quite like to be disciplined or feel powerless in the bedroom?. My name is Susie and my husband and I thought I should share with you what it is like for us to be involved in a Christian Domestic Discipline relationship. So when my husband spanked me the first time, I was embarrassed, but I thought maybe it was my fault or somehow it was OK. and going through Judges 4:9 all the way to Eph 5:23 and 1Tim 2:12). (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? I have come to believe that there was a form of CDD/DD in the days of the bible. Dark child, your nickname tells me something about your view. I would commit some offense that my parents/husband thought was wrong, I was told I was going to be punished, I would end up over a lap and afterward would be told to pray. Christian In Laurens situation, she described her husband as calm and never in anger, yet he referred to her in demeaning terms, little girl, as a father would say to a child. Jamin said [redacted] tried to leave the bedroom and walked into his hands. What was his response? From what I can tell, Jamin remains a member in good standing at Doug Wilsons church. But I do not want a day when people wake up confused because women rights have been flushed down the toilets. But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit. I think your preference is sick, deranged, weird, and a whole bunch of other negative stuff. The truth is that I rarely disagree with household or DD decisions that he makes. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. A Lone Voice, your voice will be really lonely in the SSB doghouse if you keep up with the condescending remarks. Wacky science isnt fooling anyone, even if people are not always able to verbalize it, they feel within themselves that something is wrong and this autism makes them explode at some point. It isnt called getting hit. I love him with or without discipline, but to be honest I really want it in my life. There is no longer a power struggle between two people who both want to be in charge. It is a confession of our dependence on one another and an acceptance of our natural roles.Do you submit to the wishes of your boss? I personally do not support enforcing religious views by law because I believe in God-given freewill. For, right now most people in this thread seem to be in a bubble of self-righteousness that tends to look ridiculous from the outside, especially when the scientists obviously know nothing about the object of their analysis. Use only an open hand, no objects The call to statistics to justify that since it has to be abusive most of the time, it would be better to simply outlaw it. Yes, guys, best leave 100PinkApples raging away because it suits your purpose better to have her stay unforgiving and bitter. Someone or something seemingly convinced you that you are not a full adult, that you are a bad (dark) child who deserve discipline. Meanwhile, I assume, you do not see your partner as a bad (dark) little boy who need you to discipline him. I didnt see it as abuse. Role playing, for starters, is spouses pretending theyre someone elseOK, isnt that adulterous in its intent? It is not abuse if both people consent, maybe she should have talked to him about it and he would have stopped. Why cant we just say hitting people is abusive whether it is a child or adult being victimized. I am sorry, but that is beyond distasteful. Even praying to be able to forgive is a start. If legal action is taken, what measures can be used to make sure it is successful and results is the appropriate penalties rather than a slap on the wrist? Christian Domestic Discipline (Wife Spanking Christian Domestic Discipline - 09-23-2011, 11:08 PM. As someone that has been burned and sexually abused I can say there is nothing worse then intercourse with a misogynist, men that go on about male headship, female submission to men. And no, the experiences, however bad, do not nullify the word of God. And it just baffles me that getting hit makes your marriage closer. Its not just me that talks about your husband having authority, Julie Anne. Domestic Discipline and the Bible Although defenders of domestic discipline argue that their lifestyle is biblically-based, many Christian religious leaders disagree. I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, Some men are sexist, selfish, or abusive pigs. If he is afraid, he can call the cops. Thats my responsibility as a believer and as a thinking adult. No, Bike Bubba, by role play I meant dressing up as a type, not as another person. Make sure that everything you support is not flushed down the toilet because of arrogance, intolerance and a misplaced desire for controlling peoples lives. Before we left he decided he had had enough and took me to our room and spanked me. The woman you are concerned about is indeed at very high risk. Im about the only one here who actually quotes scripture. You get all edgy. Part of me wishes this practice of wife spanking waslimited to just one denomination so it could be easierto expose, but it is clear from the above examples that we cannot. I wanted to thank you so much for all of your articles. Im a happy happy wife! Anonymous, experience project.com, 12. Ive dated a few, been engaged to one. (You cannot find a single Bible verse that says that never married adult women must submit to a man because there is no such concept. Christian Domestic Discipline, wife spanking, Christian Patriarchy Movement, Spanking of Adult Children, Denominational Practices and teachings Two summers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. We were soon an item and when marriage started to be a clear part of our future, I nervously brought up the subject of CDD. It took such a long time because that line had been blurred from growing up and then being married. A lot of people, especially women who have been sexually abused by self professing Christian men or abused by a husband, are rejecting Christianity because of your sexist, un-biblical views. First let me say that my husband and I have just recently found your site and think it is wonderful. But when you seriously contend that there mere fact that our Lord appeared first to women and told them to tell the men negates the creation ordinance, Deborahs curse of wimpy Barak and the clear words of the Holy Spirit on this subject through the Apostle Paul, then I suggest you have really lost touch with the will of God. James truly believed in Wife Undermines Her Husbands Authority in Front of Children, He DisciplinesHer? I think there were many times two which I was so disobedient that my parents would have not known what to do unless they had given me a spanking and set me straight. I offer personal advice and mentorship in marriage to men or women who contact me. I dont mean their wives are perfect and sinless. I met Ben, my husband, at a work function, and when I found out he was a Christian agreed to go out with him. Julie Anne, like Daisy, you too are filtering the Bible through experiences as well as using a logical non-sequiter. I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, but please dont filter the Bible through your own experiences. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, and you are unwilling to come to Me (John 5.39, 40). Careful, Julie Anne, true alpha females dont go over the top. IMO. We dont advocate for nouthetic counseling here. I have learned that he LOVES!! You think you are just but you are what the Bible calls a mocker., 1 Kings 18:27: It came about at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, Call out with a loud voice, for he is a god; either he is occupied or gone aside, or is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and needs to be awakened., No one is tricked or trapped into that, even if you seem to have the concerning desire to save people from themselves because it just cant be right.. It looks sort of like leadership to those who have never seen the real thing. The all knowing psychologist above is concerned with a relationship that infantilizes a woman. Me too. We had many problems. Thankfully my friend helped me move and helped me get set up and even helped me secure a job. I think you are exactly right. 1986). I dont expect you to see it. In the Garden, the serpent went over the woman, she went over her husband, and he went over God. Oh, come on, JA; Daisy of course speaks for all of us, which is why Daisy debates many of us, I believe myself included. Please remember blog rules. It took a long time for me to have the strength to leave him. Resistance During a Spanking These testimonials are arranged in reverse order, with the most recent one first. (LogOut/ Yet I was expected to call him sir at all times and I was often addressed as young lady or little girl, which was a constant put-down that made me feel small and powerless. 4000 kids a day get killed for being conceived in the wrong womb. Hes made the right call. At times he could be very sweet and charming. Not a lot of leaders of either gender out there, but we go for the carob; controlling. saying she needs to feel the pain to remind her to whom she belongs and forcing her to do rigorous housework and chores. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. Youve also been influenced by perverse secular culture. 1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. THATS JUST WRONG! (LogOut/ I had to compose myself and return to where everyone else was knowing that they all knew what just happened. The whole verse says: 1Cor 7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. And it goes on: 1Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. And with those words, The Lone Voice Show is over and Spiritual Sounding Board returns in its channel and time slot. . I thought the periods might have been missing letters for a larger word. I dont consider Christian mutuality to be the same thing as feminism, though there may some Christian women in the egalitarian community who are fine using the word feminism for themselves. What is Christian domestic discipline Meanwhile, what Jesus called the two most important commandments are completely ignored. As a sexually abused little girl growing up in misogynistic Christianity I always felt like god was my pimp. The stresses that can wreck marriages and the men/women Mars/Venus things just seems to go away. She was there every step of the way. I wanted to know how did Lauren get from the point where wife spanking was considered normal to the place where she said, THIS IS WRONG it is ABUSE!. Women would rather be loved than respected. Why cant we just boldly say spankings is always abusive, because hitting people is abusive? Daisy, I just quoted those verses. maybe a directory of churches and communities, that still get it, would help . 4 and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand. Would Jesus (bad word) the church against the churches will? States have laws limiting marriage of close relatives. . States have laws restricting what people in a position of influence can do with those they employ or counsel or pastor or treat. And the thought of a Pentecostal being in to kinky, spanking fetishes is hilarious. (Daisy, it is my hope and prayer, by the way, that in the cases I disagree with you, I do so without being disagreeableblessings to you, and my apologies for when I fail in this). Christian Domestic Discipline / Spencer Respect and Submission in domestic discipline Respect and Submission are of particular importance in a marriage because the standard marriage vows for the bride always included the phrase to love, honor and obey her husband. At first I couldnt believe that women were advocating being spanked by their husbands and submitting fully to their authority. Isnt bullying between two consenting children? Biblical Case for Domestic Discipline Here is my question to you: are you implying that the woman is a victim even if this situation and cannot truly consent? You take it up with him. My mom told me that dad only punished her because he loved her, and that in a Christian family dad was in charge and no one can ever disobey him. Christian Domestic Discipline Spiritual Sounding Board This may help you win a popularity contest in this community, but if you really are a spiritual man and aspire to justice, I would quote Proverbs 28:5 : Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all things. But just like a chocolate addict will eat carob in moments of dire necessity. My father made us go to church three times a week, and he read us the bible every night. Im afraid were wasting our time attempting to engage somebody who justifies the abuse of women. Men who push the defend women because women are little delicate flowers view rarely to never actually defend women. All of that IS ok? Thats a rule for ancient Israel, for young women still living at home with their fathers. Yes, I apologize for that display of intolerance. As for other men, besides the father to spank her, that isnt right. He was so different than the other Christians I had met, many of whom tormented my Jewish best friend and my completely secular family. Sometimes Ben thinks I need to be spanked everyday, when I forget that I am supposed to be the submissive one. 50 SHADES OF GREY AND PATRIARCHY: WHAT EXACTLY DID WE EXPECT? When he was done, he did not say one word. I do not ask you to embrace this way of life, the only thing I ask you is to stop being on the wrong side of history with these disguting tactics. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. Testimonials of Loving Domestic Discipline I remember saying There is NO WAY Im going to be some mans slave and stay at home and cook and clean for him! It was not until I sat through a Bible study on the book of Ephesians that I truly understood submission. States have laws restricting consent to marry a person who is already married. christian domestic discipline . Domestic Discipline Jamin would look at porn and tell [redacted] it was her fault he was looking at porn on the computer. You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. If Satan can keep you in the past, he will rob you of your future. Enjoy each others smug, judgmental company. I agree with you also but I dont agree on what some people say about pastors Spanking other peoples wives and brothers Spanking their sisters and son spanking their mothers I mean that just Blows my mind away right there I think if its between a husband and his wife only then whatever floats their boat more power to them, Ruth, how old are you? Please be careful if you are easily triggered by topics of abuse. No wonder Lauren was so confused in her marriage. A Husbands Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline. But even then, it is always amazing how Eph 5:21 always ignored. Most jobs that could provide a living were male occupations. I started going to their church and before long was a very active member. If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. Rock showed the stars and you looked at the finger. 1. They employ demands for forgiveness in a manner that makes forgiveness the Evangelical Christian F word. s Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage I went ahead and watch that whole video of him on that day and it would have been more in context as to what Pat Robertson was sharing. Its not right. [redacted] said Jamin has used pornography as a means of punishment towards [redacted]. Aspire to knowledge and aspire to love, declare yourself ignorant and humble and you will find justice and wisdom for God does not reveal himself to arrogant people and this is why you are in darkness on this matter. God told the Israelites to pass laws and enforce them. For example: Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all things. ), Lone Voice says, If you only have tolerance for lines of thinking that you are happy to tolerate, then you are intolerant. 1 Peter 3:7. How about at your own home growing up, was your mother spanked? mysterious death, disappearance, ending up in a vegetative state in a nursing home) and been assured that they are powerful, well funded, technically and legally savvy and any efforts to move and change her identity are futile. I find joy in being a submissive wife.
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