Shes just exploring. Hi Jason, thanks for you comment. If you watch the four part video of the entire trail beyond the Mirador you will see exactly where this photo was taken, and there is not a cave or ledge or ravine anywhere near her. Your email address will not be published. So, when locals look at you sideways as they glance, glare, or even stare at your shorts and sandals, do not be offended or surprised. This case has captivated me. Nearly 100,000 people in Mexico have disappeared | Fox News I was visiting Panama and Boquette July 2014, thats when I first heard about this case and was following it ever since. Wonder if this case has any similarities? By April 6, 2014, theparents of both women grew frantic andflew to Panama with detectives from the Netherlands. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. I have seen some gruesome stuff where a captor will smash the feet of a captive to prevent escape. They showed an incredibly brave independence which was repaid with murder. The authors told The Daily Beast: "It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. she does see something disgusting. The bones of Lisannes foot were fractured in an unusual way (from the top down). If you think America is safe you are ignorant! Personally, I believe that number one mentioned above is the most likely reason. If you have any supplementary information regarding the case, or if you were involved in this case and feel that the information available in this article impacts your privacy, please contact our team. The link to the main page where I give complete details of the story: The True Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon 2 Girls That Disappeared in Panama. Kris is sticking her tongue out in this photo. And if suspects were clicking photos, and knew how to operate a smartphone, they would not return the phones. I posted a link at Koude Kas of example of Monkeys playing with phones because they were entranced by the flash. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. We live in interesting times. I do not know. They usually drown their victims, hit and run car accidents, or just disappear the victim, etc anything that ensures theres no obvious intent to the police. They had planned a trip in the forest the next day, on April 2nd, with a local guide. As the search was starting to wind up, a local woman handed in a blue backpack, claiming she found it in a rice paddy along the banks of the river. Well be mapping the trails with a GPS device, searching for the location of the night photos and capturing aerial footage of the rivers in the region. I live in a third world country and sometimes tourists come to grief. I just want to agree with Chris and the poster JW that she is shading her eyes with her right arm up. The girls went for a swim in a rock pool. Websites/blogs speculate about why, but nothing has been confirmed. There was one person that said that the dog left with them when they set out on their hike. They couldnt have been that far away from the return trail to Boquette. My opinion is that the girls met with foul play and were murdered. If the Calderas photo is genuine as you believe, then I sadly think the two girls were killed shortly after by the two young men (and possibly the taxi driver), and the police knew and bumped the lot off. Ive already researched a lot about the local conditions: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/. That is the big picture of this case. There are flaws in the manipulations, such as the photo timeline, the inconsistent resolutions, the missing photo (or video), the red lines on the shirt, incorrect shadow positioning, etc. So, unless there was camera tampering (that may be since one photo was apparently deleted digitally), her hands are not tied. Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. When neither Froonnor Kremers turned up, the community decided to wait until the next day to contact authorities. Life of a stay at home home. Why go to another country to hike when America and other safer countrys have plenty of hiking places ? I believe the backpack was placed near the river in order to indicate where the remains would be found (like a flag), and perhaps the backpack was provided in hopes to receive the reward money, and the location of the backpack meant that searches would move to a different location (potentially because the police were too close to the suspects at the time). The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. Again, I stress that these kind of murder cases are frequently shut down by the media of the country at the direction of the government. Give me a link. Where is YNW Melly? If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist. For forensic work, any such upsampling is worthless. Where did you hear this? Why did they not do that? How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? History is not a science but it can include some science. Why? Daytime would be sweaty but what about at night when the temperature would be down in the 50-60s? On the other hand, its more dangerous and risky. What I DO see is a very definite path. They took the dog with them on the walk and it came back the next morning but they didnt there had to have been some clues maybe like how far could the dog have gone and still find its way back home? Where did he leave them? The girls' camera showed evidence of what may have happened. Like local tribesmen. The illusion of her being tied and in distress is nothing more than that. In truth, the fact that theres no evidence that the dog was with them leads a person to believe that perhaps someone could have fabricated the fact that the dog was with them. There is much speculation about the night time fotos made using the Cannon. Given thetimeline, authorities assumedat least one of the womenwas alive at thetime, five days into the search. The following insight will make not make much sense to you if you dont know their story. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. the only strange element in this photo is the distance. Unfortunately, this camera setting is not public knowledge, but the default mode is Continuous.. Not to mention her hair was down in the photos at the beginning of the hike and now they appear to be in at least two pony tails where devil horns would be. In fact, its probable to some degree. The back of the shirt was soiled (you interpret). Hence the bras and everything safely stacked in the backpack together both girls sunglasses and both girls phones (otherwise each girl would be carrying her own phone). I think that this is a photoshopped image made by cutting out a picture of Kris and pasting it onto a background to give the false impression that Kris and Lisanne went on the Pianista Trail. Some of them are human, including several skulls and a young girls intact corpse, in the bottom right, with a large hole in the head. Honestly Ive hiked by myself before on a well known trail by my college and when I saw the American flag waving in the middle of the woods I was more scared than anything!!! Not in the third world. I suppose incompetence runs at many levels. It holds a bad energy. Alex Humphrey disappeared . You have a good eye! Most of the pictures taken on April 8 are of complete darkness while some show the jungle floor, but two pictures are alarming: one is a picture of some of the girls belongings on a rock, and the other shows the back of Kremerss head with what appears to be a bloodstain in her hair. Thanks for sharing this info. I wouldnt give mine out to my best friend, not even to my wife. Fingerprints were not investigated. Like she was scouting and turned back to talk to Lisanne, shielding her eyes from the sun to see her. These are more unanswered questions that we may never know. Dogs are very independent here. This would mean that this photo possibly shows the entrance to a cave leading inside the wall of rock behind it. Even a subtle untimely laugh behind a mans back in Latin America can create a hostile situation if the women were alone later. What confuses this is that after Kriss phone dies then on the 5th during the afternoon SOS attempt a wrong pin is input on Lisannes phone and indeed continues to be input until the end. I think that this is definitely a murder, because of the rucksack. I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. Ive written about many disappearances in Central America: https://imperfectplan.com/disappearances/, Thank you for your comment and please feel free to send me any notes/info that you find. They would have shared all the info with the private investigators whom they have hired. One obvious question - has anybody ever found the place that is in this photograph. Maybe the girls did perish deep in the jungle, but that doesnt rule out somebody causing them to get lost. I dont appreciate the internet trolls who dump havoc on peoples insights. I think in the original photo she is putting on her backpack, stretching her arm and back, and the backpack has been airbrushed out because of course she didnt take that with her. Has anyone gone back to the spot where the photo was taken? I would not pay much attention to what she has to say as it sounds like she wrote this book to try to justify/clear herself from all the criticism she garnered through this experience: From my understanding, there was no warning signs on the trail. Someone with darkish skin. For example, I visited numerous hostels in Panama and the hostels that have dogs usually permit their dogs to roam freely outside of the house and to come and go as they please. He threatened them with a machete, and led them to a sacrificial alter. It belongs to the long green leaves we are seeing up there. I do see the supports and I think thats manmade also. You can find more information about on this article: https://imperfectplan.com/2021/02/24/kremers-froon-new-case-data-timestamps-of-missing-daytime-photos/. It would also show that the photos had been truly messed about with, as this one is supposed to come before the photos of her crossing the stream. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. Right now Im simply building a list of names to determine interest: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/14/organizing-a-research-team/. Im baffled as to why this case hasnt been investigated more, if not for protecting an indigenous tribe. Apart from the fact if she was photoshopped in this picture, i.m.o. The fact that one of the 112 called connected for 2 seconds and they did not redial it immediately, is also well dodgy. In the days following the students' disappearances, authorities conducted footand aerial searches. In Central America, dogs arent usually seen as something to protect and cuddle. The Canon Powershot SX270 HS, has two methods of numbering images. A piece of evidence that is irrefutable. I would also like to know the time that photo was taken that day. The removed comment provided nothing helpful in any respect, and was merely to get attention and reactions. None of the calls ever got through due to a lack of a signal. And that looks to be a stocker style stand. If the dog went with them, its likely that the girls would have taken a photo of the dog, even if the dog was in a photo accidentally. I must have been living in a cave and totally preoccupied with myself when this happened because I only stumbled across this via a Youtube video ( one of many) by Juan Perea Y Monsuw on Friday. I think its possible the red and black object is actually just a reddish-brown dead plant leaf jungle leaves can get rather large. Out of all the photos that have been released this photo disturbs me the most. On closer inspection this and the cave photo appear heavily manipulated. The girls took photos of so many things, even many mundane thingsbut for some reason the dog wasnt present in any of the photos. I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. Im curious to know if they had a camera why wouldnt they make a final message for family telling us and them what happened? Im considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. Over four days, 77 separate attempts had been made to call the cops - using the emergency numbers in both the Netherlands and in Panama. I think the look on her face isnt scared, but she looks to maybe be in wonder that they found a place like that? I do get very creepy and bad vibes from this photo though. I think the camera dried and started working again and they took pictures at night. The camera could have malfunctioned but this seem highly unlikely. So many questions and there is no clear starting place like a police report to read. If you take small part of a bigger image and blow it up to match the size/aspect ratio of other photos on the card, it will still keep the same number of pixels per square inch, but they will become much bigger. Much, much more revealing. Maybe one girl regained consciousness at night and took the pictures. It also looks like that red item is around her neck as well. It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. I read that the backpack belonged to Lisanne Froon. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. EERIE photos discovered on a camera belonging to two missing hikers revealed their mysterious final moments before both girls vanished in the jungle in Panama. The first all the black area behind her was blackened and smudged. Kris has been unconscious for days. Is the time that photo was taken known? ?If they were attacked by people immidiately after this, how they took the photos?? Yes, I think its the entrance to a short cave. It could be that the taxi driver couldve called someone and given them a heads up that two beautiful young ladies had just headed up the Pianista alone. This lady, Pitti, she is under much suspicion as she practically botched the investigation efforts with her repeated lack of discipline in collecting and documenting and directing the case. The abductor did not take their things because hes not a thief. https://photos.app.goo.gl/nVA1PDjjeVwULeo66. Many of the leads were simply not followed fingerprints, interviewing key suspects, identifying the precise location where evidence was discovered, etc. You have to look hard. I believe that the LA Times article is more informative, so Ive updated the link in my writing above. Nothing. Did they lose it right at the start of the hike, but didnt bother to go and look for it? This is a great question. Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. On April 3, 2014, authorities began an aerial search of the forests and an on-foot search ofBoquete. We have 5 people ending up dead, and the skulls of the girls are never found. Like a trap net or something. I think they were murdered and their greatest mistake was to travel to this little town in Panama. It appears to me that Kris has her right arm to her right temple and you can see part of her left elbow. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. I think she is pointing, but at something else in another location. Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. So many clues in all these pictures. Apparently the dog had no comment. However, its still possible. Patients often tell our staff about finding the corpses of people who have suffered fatal falls or drowned in swollen rivers. Beyond that, the police are even suspect in altering evidence and not preserving it. Were trying to raise $5,000 for gear, security, transportation and food. To touch on the disappearance case of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, we can vividly see the incompetence that took place, even under the spotlight of international pressure. One could argue that the inherent risk of traveling to under-developed countries is exciting for the reason that theres potential danger and less authoritative control. January 4, 2023. They know that youre supposed to find a river, so they set out in search. Hi Susan, those are all possibilities. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. Depending on how many mobile towers there are the police should have information. Dutch tourists in Panama Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. Keep in mind nobody has seen all of the photos and we dont know why. And remember that the legitimate photos we have came from Juan. Think about it. There is no database of how many people go missing in national parks every year but the National Parks Service has at least 29 cold cases of people who have gone missing and have yet to be found, with the oldest case dating back to 1958.. Someone was with the girls when the two photos of them were taken on the Pianista summit. Remains of 2 American women missing after Panama plane crash recovered Even at this point, I still think theres a lot that can be achieved from gathering information and further evaluating the existing evidence. Hope this was not a member of one of those mad religious sects that, over the years, have been torturing and killing people in Panama. JW, I agree with you totally, thanks for your intelligent remarks! The commenters here are speculating wildly about this particular picture. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). and happened to Kris that would explain why Lisannes phone was first one used to make an SOS call. And I agree that her hands are free. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? She cant be shielding her eyes from the sun, as no shadow is falling over her eyes. When she finally reached her friend, it was basically too late, or very close to it. Given that most people crop off the top of this image, people would have missed the findings that I mention below. No way would I walk down that path. The night picture she is standing in same spot and someone is doing something to her lower leg or foot ,you can see them under her. For Composer Drew Silva, Music is all About Embracing Life. You can even see the smudges or blurring on the bottom of the plants into the dark areas in an attempt to blend the darkness area (where something or someone was likely standing). I prefer to think that the two girls had some sort of accident, still horrific but better than being murdered. The first thing that strikes me as very odd in this photograph and I think I havent seen anyone pointing that out yet -, is a specific number. Most travelers that have big experiences want to remember the small details of trips, because the trip represents an important memory in their life. In the first half of this year, tourist arrivals fell globally by more than 65 percent, with a near halt since Aprilcompared with 8 percent during the global financial crisis and 17 percent amid the SARS epidemic of 2003, according to ongoing IMF research on tourism in a post-pandemic world.
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