If you want to see one round per gel block, you are going to have to start buying them. Without having to rely on supplies of special bullets? 26. Either the whole cartridge'd come loose or the bullet separates, allowing the casing to be safely tapped out from the barrel. I would just be very conserned about compressing my charge. My friend had tried unsuccessfully to drive the bullet out with a cleaning rod from the muzzle. I had my wife move the lever because once it's out of the way you can open the slide and lock it in place (impossible without extra hands). The old jointed aluminum cleaning rods you used to see so often are to be avoided. I generally find that it's best not to apply force to the front end of a stuck bullet in a rifle especially if it's a bullet that is designed to easily expand or mushroom because what happens is that the rod expands the bullet and wedges it tighter in the bore. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. So much so that the weapon was taken to a gunsmith to remove the stuck round. First stick the rod down the bore from the muzzle to the bolt face, hold it there and put a piece of scotch tape around the rod flush with the muzzle. Then use pliers or something to pull the bullet out or the round. JavaScript is disabled. I did have issues with WWB (and some other) ammo feeding in my new P238 until I had run several hundred rounds. Quick easy method for removing a stuck round from you pistol chamber. The force from this almost always gets the round out after a few tries. .308 Bolt action rifle, shooting all day in a tactical type match, all of a sudden a very tight round gets stuck 95% of the way into the chamber and won't budge either way. Good thing, since I can't get enough of the spring rod visible to get a wrench on anyway. The bullet is really stuck in there. Shooter had a mag fall out during COF, rather than grab a new one he picked it up off the ground and reseated it. Hey Glenn, maybe I can help. basically I just grab the back of the slide on the serrations then kinda karate chop the back of the grip/tang area with the web of my right hand. Chamber: A gun's chamber must be the same size as the bullet. The gun gets stuck and they can't open it. Here is the link to his solution. JavaScript is disabled. This is the sequence that happens as you fire your gun. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. At 30 seconds in he expresses concern with the pressure. Turn down the volume, obnoxious music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_N71iYZHd8. (yes i reload). Open the bolt lock it back, Take a cleaning rod and lower it down the barrel gently onto the bullet, then with the rifle carefully propped up tap the rod gently with a stick or similar to push the bullet backwards and out, don't tap hard as you can expand the lead and lock it in place. A forum community dedicated to Rimfire Central Firearm owners and enthusiasts. This had expanded the bullet and had caused it to stick in the bore. The bolt moves backwards when it is rotated open and the case should have been pulled back out of the chamber the first few degrees of bolt turn. During a previous attempt to remove the bullet, a smaller diameter cleaning rod had been driven down inside the bullet, expanding the bullet and making it more difficult to remove. It didnt take Johnson long to find out that the 450-grain truncated shaped solid would shoot through a big brown bear from any direction, claiming in 1988, I never recovered a slug from a bear or moose, no matter what angle the animal was shot at.. Still came down to someone stating; #3. I had no idea where the bullet was located or if, for that matter, there was just one bullet. Sounds like the .455 Webley Mk III. can you explain how you got the cartridge out? This was done with reload components, not pulled bullets. A boat tail bullet is more aerodynamic than a flat based bullet, and I do believe that the back side of the bullet is at least nearly as important as the front, so it would be interesting in seeing an exact comparison. And wouldnt you know it: they are! (1% rather than 10%). Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Only thing I am worried about is reliable feeding from 20-30 round magazines. Although I was doing it where if it did go off, noone would get hurt, the fact is I still don't want a bullet flying through my house. Yeah, the ones I have are "Stingers" Look like nice bullets though, Also off topic, but the *******s at the shop sold me 4 different brands of ammo, one of them being super velocity (the type it says not to use in the instruction manual). This also applies to the slow and heavy vs. fast and light debate. Any help from you gunsmith-types out there would be very much appreciated Re: Live round stuck in chamber - now what? Wood Dowel, pound it out. Once the case it out, reverse the barrel in the vise jaws so that its muzzle is up. What Id be interested in is how it effected the BC of the bullet. Yes, you can probably clear a simple jam and continue shooting your handgun, but in the long run, if there are either mechanical issues or underlying problems with the gun, you might be putting yourself or others at risk by doing so. It is important that you are aware of what happens after you pull the trigger. The barrel is positioned vertically with the muzzle down and a generous amount of solvent is used to fill the bore. The Govt sold off obsolete or broken cracked stocks, missing or bent sight blades surplus rifles cheap. Not much of a crimp. why not just cut off a portion of the tip instead of flipping the bullet around? yes, if you turn the bullet around so that the pointed end is in the case, the internal ballistic pressure does cause a pressure gradient greater where the case is crimped. All Rights Reserved. PS: The round is a Buffalo Bore 147g hardcast, if it matters to you. I had been told many years ago that the backwards bullet trick was used during the depression or by rural poor people to hunt for game with cheaper surplus ammo. IAFIS is a database that the FBI uses to store information about shell casings. Sounds like an out of spec round or maybe a 9x18 instead of the 9x19 round. Learn more here: http://bit.ly/1G7xXag. Pull the slide cover offremove firing pinthat will ensure when you pound it back, it will not detonate, Use a nylon or wooden dowel, tap it out with a hammer. You have entered an incorrect email address! When the slide failed to completely close she attempted to rack the slide (tap rack and bang) and wedged it in further. I have no reason to feel that a wadcutter is unsafe! In fact their only downside for handguns is they penetrate too well if you are gearing up for self-defense against human attackers with bystanders in the area. Then while wearing safety glasses get a pair of vice grips on the slide and pull back slowly until that bullet comes out. )-25acp*CMMG ar15 build. In most cases with handloads, there was insufficient powder to push the bullet all the way out the bore. Because of this I secured the rifle in a padded vise and inserted my carbon rod in from the muzzle until it was firmly held against the front end of the bullet. Im guessing the base of the bullet, in this case, pointed towards the muzzle, had nothing to with the high pressure and split necks. For large calibers, severely lodged bullets or stuck cases, additional drops may be required. It worked!! A buddy I was shooting with one day loaded .380 in his CM9 mag and fired. Maryland Shooters is the most active and largest Maryland gun community online. A 2LT loaded the magazine with the round in backwards and released the slide jamming the round in the mouth of the barrels chamber. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. . might have been a H&K and she got the magazine at shot show LOL .. i took my Mosin to a practice CMP shoot .. trying to be fast loading it .. i stove'd piped it good with a live round loading the mag .. needed pliers .. LOL. Ive always heard that the most aerodynamic shape is a raindrop and the backwards FMJ looks like the mother of all boat-tails, so would it be more or less aerodynamic? [/, http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xd-45acp-discussion-room/64364-xd45-locked-up-2.html, Removing a stuck case from XD and HS2000`s. A fresh 4x4 will do fine. After beating the gun apart, we found a buldged barrel. Immediate Action: " Tap, Rack, and Reassess ". xd45 service black*xd40 service bi-tone*Walther p22 Walther model 9-25acp*Savage 22lr*savage 93r17-17hmr*savage stevens 308win*savage 110 7mm rem mag*Beretta 1934-380acp*Manns patent(? To be safe you would have to decrease the powder charge. We recovered some pretty chewed up brass and noticed the target was fairly tight with only one flier that had keyholed. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time." Therefore, the bullet gets stuck in the barrel. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Therefore, the bullet gets stuck in the barrel. with a rod the size of the primer and a lot of force. If the knock-out rod is too small, the point of the bullet can force it off to the side into the wall of the bore. To argue the point of why you would want to fool around (i.e. I check headspace on every reload because of this. The shell had a. Believe it or not This happene to me today in my XD-9 and XD-45 compact. Causes a full lock up and the slide gets jammed back with no wiggle room at all. how do you think primers get pressed into the shell? . and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid. I eventually cleared the bore of several pieces of assorted welding rods and wire along with a single .22 lead bullet. On the very off chance that the round detonates, you'll have a loud pop, some smoke, and a ruptured 9mm case, I don't think you'll be in much danger. Had to pound on the bolt handle with a hammer and block of wood to get the bolt open. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. Those super velocity rounds are kind of bogus, one type "stingers" use a case that is longer than a standard case with a bullet that's not quite as long, to get more power and speed. Insert bullet only into chamber and hold it lightly against the rifling with a pencil. Use a gas shutoff in case of semi-auto and homemade ammo. Ward Nov 19, 2018 @ 12:56am. I would use a metal rod with a flat end that is just as large as will fit through the barrel. This is done by marking the shaft of a cleaning rod at the muzzle while it is resting against the stuck bullet. Do you use reloads for your carry ammo??? June 27, 2022 . Bullet Lodged in Barrel Backwards Thread starterdefygravity Start dateFeb 8, 2013 The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast Member Benefits: No ad networks! When the slide failed to completely close she attempted to rack the slide (tap rack and bang) and wedged it in further. Custom Mossberg 500 at the Range and Live Turkey!. Originally posted by humansteak: Got here from Google; was at the range and this was what eventually freed the round in my gun. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Grip the base of the case with waterpump pliers or locking pliers, and twist while pulling upward. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Good luck. It's a live round and it's stuck in a way that I can't even rack the slide. More often than not, this shouldn't cause any major problems if it is dealt with properly. Easy to feel when you close the bolt. The legal BS that would be piled on me in the event that I did have to use them in a self defense situation wouldn't be worth it. Old time reloaders used to talk about loading soft lead .38 wadcutter or semi wadcutter bullets backwards. The destruction of European Civilization - by its own leaders - is one of the most extraordinary acts in all of Human History. -Hungarian Prime Minister, May 2018, "It's such a shame, all the death in the rapper community. The classic case for me occurred years ago when a fellow brought a .22 rifle into my shop. If they are different or over the SAAMI c.o.a.l. It won't travel "downward" enough to disengage from the lip on the slide. Try pouring kroil down the other side of the barrel. bullet stuck in chamber backwards. In this case it was obviously a single bullet and was located about one inch ahead of the end of the chamber. I'm still baffled by it. Consider the risk of using a gun that isn't feeding/firing correctly. That is where I got him stopped. The procedure is duplicated from the chamber end of the barrel, revealing where the stuck bullet is located and how long it is. Made a mess of tissue. When its in the 1/2 open position you press the bolt release lever in front of the triggerguard to make the bolt slam foward.If this doesn't work,put a cleaning rod down the barrel and gently tap it out.Did you fire the gun without any rounds in it ?This is called dry firing.Not good for rimfires. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Only guns I've seen blow up on the range were shooting reloads. I'll give that a shot. Always load bullets with the base of the bullet facing the primer. HK. Hello. If the case does not at least begin to come out, repeat the penetrating-oil dose, wait a day or two, and try again. Maybe some curved needle nose pliers, a very gentle wiggle, a very gentle pull. Is there a malfunction with the firearm preventing you from doing this or are you just physically not strong enough to move the slide? It is first time I see ammo stuck in chamber backward.. Feb 8, 2013 #15 Bootknife Active Member. From what I was told, there were no injuries, but there were several very surprised and shaken folks in that shop. I would not be surprised if there were barrel damage also, especially around the throat area. Be careful. 2- Get a "Scotch-brite" pad and thoroughly scrub the inside of the receiver to remove any rough spots. Something else is up. The article was not about wadcutters, it was about loading bullets backwards. Yes, a football is very aerodynamic. I've got the problem solved now guys, thanks for all the help!! I was zeroing a .223 stevens this evening, Ultramaz remanufactured ammo, 55HP, and a case blew! My carbon rod, on the other hand, was large enough in diameter to avoid entering the bullet and instead pressed against the sides of the jacket. A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. 1 with a bullet stuck in the bore. Let it set. An upfront disclaimer might have been helpful for ADD-afflicted andyounger gunnies. The casing was getting stuck in the chamber and I was a able to pry one out with a screw driver and try again but it happened again and I gave up and went home and get it out with a cleaning rod through the barrel. I keep a length of 7/16 aluminum rod in my range bag as a squib remover. bullet stuck in chamber backwards. Just out of curiosity, were you shooting reloads, or was the gun dirty? Main Menu Why do you have a problem with this video? Before I could stop him he let the slide go forward. At the gun fires the bullet travels down the barrel, the gases that are created propels the slide backwards (blowback) and the extractor ( a hook of sorts) grabs the brass, pulling it out of the chamber and pivots it out of the slide (and gun) as it comes all the way back. Evidently there was some powder residue at the base of the bullet as there was an explosion, the rod was driven back toward the gunsmith, and the bullet came out the muzzle with enough energy to penetrate a toolbox on an adjoining bench. now comes the tricky part, with your right hand, smack quickly the arch of your thumb and pointy finger at the back of the grip safety. are you able to see the round from the top of the slide (ejection port)? There were companies that did exactly that with milsurp .303 after WW2; they quit because the base of old FMJ rounds is open, and the lead had a tendency to extrude out into the barrel when fired. As a matter of fact I am a handloader, I fully understand the desire for a handloader to want to experiment. Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). Fortunately, the bore appeared to be unharmed. Hold the rod tip 10-12 inches above the lodged bullet/stuck case and release the rod allowing gravity to accelerate. Or an aluminum one. I want to fire my weapon to clear it out so I can dig further but iffy cause i dont want to cause damage to the gun or myself. Since no one uses handguns for long range shots, the inherent short range of full wadcutters (or backward bullets) are no drawback whatsoever and that is why they are very useful for handguns. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. The rod was removed and laid along the barrel with this mark even with the muzzle. He didn't listen and somewhere loaded the G19 mag into the G23. Is this a normal thing to have happened with a brand new gun? But if you elongate the football it has a higher sectional density and the ballistic coefficient goes up. You are using an out of date browser. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. We had a line full of people and I was behind the instructor. high vels are fine , though. Better than shooting FMJ or those old round nose lead loads. We show you how. Once the bullet is pushed back into the mag, drop it (but keep the slide locked back). 27. How to Remove a Stuck Bullet! I had inserted a fresh mag and chambered a round, ejected the mag and topped off. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I can see those issues, too. I don't know if it's safe to try to tap it out with a dowel or cleaning rod or if there is tool for this? The geometry of a Spitzer point and casing would concentrate the rapidly expanding gases of the propellant toward the crimp and create astronomical pressures in that area. then you should be able to extract. All it will do is compress the smokeless powder. Period. I would Use a piece of Steel Fuel Tubing Just small enough to fit in the barrel Od .350 x id .250 That way nothing in the center to touch the PRIMER! What would be the point of this even if it was safe. I would not let him shoot at my house or with me anymore. Solano Verde Water District Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The video says that he read a crazy idea on the internet and tried to test it. Thanks. Thanks for letting us know your experience. An abrupt rear surface also causes turbulence. (guide rod/handle) Save Reply Quote R RCP Phx Registered Joined Oct 2, 2011 Causes a full lock up and the slide gets jammed back with no wiggle room at all. Insert the rod into the barrel; it might be helpful to lube the outside of the tape bushing with a bit of grease. In most cases with handloads, there was insufficient powder to push the bullet all the way out the bore. Just keep in mind that if you shoot enough, sooner or later you will encounter a stuck bullet! of Israeli Defense Forces, joins David Fortier for an exclusive interview for Shotgun News. Fortunately, there's a simple and easy way to remove a stuck bullet when it happens. Never should have separated the lower from the upper. Honestly, I'm hesitant/skeptical about doing so with a live round chambered. Never mix any flavor of semi-auto with any flavor of split casing. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. This in turn drastically reduced the smoke and residue created. I'm planning on calling the shop that I purchased the gun from tomorrow but I am pretty new to guns and am very curious to know what the problem is. I've never heard of bullets being put in backwards, but I have heard of backwards facing rounds: You must log in or register to reply here. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. "Tap" your magazine to be sure it is properly seated. I wish D.S. The end of each section is drilled out and threaded. He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns. The same procedure was followed from the breech end to locate the rear end of the obstruction and to make a second locating mark on the barrel. That is how to clear o How To Fix Pistol Jams (Semi Auto). He required a new barrel. Feb 19, 2017. I guess. Of course that huge flat front surface means those bullets slow down way, WAY faster than Spitzer (pointed) bullets. Spray a bit of WD40 down the muzzle and let sit for a few. Delicate situation. What's the Perfect Trigger Pull Weight for a Hunting Rifle? Thats what you had to work with 50 or 75 years ago. Yes it may work (and you may live to tell about it) but your banging on the front of a live round. Stuck bullets in most cases are just an inconvenience. An abrupt front surface (full wadcutter or backwards bullet) causes turbulence. Thanks. Drag is bad in the air but good when the bullet strikes its target. Had a little round tip on it so I didn't have to worry about scratches. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. If you want to do this, I suggest using a Cutting Saw to take off the pointed tip, but I would also bore out some of the center to make a hollow cavity. Never shot tissue, rarely hit what I was aiming at, never tried it again. Even if you think I am reading to far into the videos intent, take it on face value. I think now we are the same page. With a flashlight look into where the magazine goes. For handguns that is generally all that is necessary t. When working on my friend's Ruger No. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. I figured after doing this it wouldn't be a good idea. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Now, get some of that wonder of wonders, duct tape. You know it really is true. If you have to force it closed it will always be hard to open. I went to the range today and left with a round stuck in the chamber of the XD. If that fails, a local gunsmith can probably free it for about $40. It can also be caused by firing too many rounds without cleaning the gun, which builds up residue and causes friction. What works best at 20mph is not necessarily best at 1500mph. bullet stuck in chamber backwards bullet stuck in chamber backwards. By the way, I stand by my hypothetical analysis of the video because, the same channel, has a detailed video about the reloading of Berdan primed steel case ammo, as a test of a hypothetical scenario where 7.6239 was no longer available. 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I then took a brass-faced hammer and with a few blows to the end of the rod, carefully drove the bullet out the chamber end of the barrel. Yes Gene, a backwards bullet is essentially a wadcutter or a semi-wadcutter if the bullet was of the boat-tail variety. You are using an out of date browser. It could be "Failure to Extract" or "Failure to Eject". I think it was Rouarke who loaded .270 projos backwards because it penetrated elephant skull better. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. If I could get the barrel out I could dislodge the round with a dowel. Had the bullet stuck in the barrel farther forward, with another cartridge fired behind it, the barrel would have been damaged and in all likelihood need replacing. In the mean time, it really doesnt make that much difference. Never mentioned semi auto. You should have had a hard bolt close. 9x18 is slightly wider diam. Slide is hesitant to move back forward when released. Wow. I had one that jamed but it still fired.It sounded really weak when it fired and i could not move the slide.Since i knew it had fired i taped the slide on the desk and it freed it but the bullet remained in the barrel.I shined a light in the barrel and could see the bullet cocked to the left.I disasembled the gun then put the barrel in a vise and beat the bullet out.When i got it out it looked like the third bullet from the left.Luckily everything on the gun still looked good.Never had any trouble since then.It was the same ammo you have there.Winchester white box from Walmart.There was no damage to the box.After seeing your photo i will start paying more attention to all ammo when i load the magazine. Always drive stuck bullets backwards toward breech. The blank charge probably became dislodged and is smashed inside the gun or fell out without you noticing it. The round is in the chamber but the slide won't move forward or backward. A 2LT loaded the magazine with the round in backwards and released the slide jamming the round in the mouth of the barrel's chamber. To put all this in perspective, if I knew there was an extremely high probably that a grizzly was going to attack me, I would want a rifle in .45-70 Government and I would shoot a hardcast lead bullet with a large flat meplat. Worth a watch. Any serious suggestions appreciated. Anyone have anything similar happen/other suggestions? A gunsmith was tasked with removing a stuck bullet from a rifle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. A stuck bullet is generally caused by defective ammo. This is easily done with a solvent. Don't strike the case base or primer. Put the gun in a vice with it pointed at a bag of sand. only reopen after restart and wait a few seconds before your right next to it then click F. #11. (Just read the torture tests) and I usually put 1,000 rounds through mine before I clean it, and I've never had a FTF/FTE no matter how dirty it was. Just dust yourself off and get a beer after. You probably have a point when it comes to supersonic velocities though. unless you are pushing on the primer only with something the size of a firing pin you won't set it off. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. I personally like the CCI Minimags in the model 60.For me they shoot well. The problem with a bullet with a pointed rear was pretty evident in the video. With the slide locked back visually inspect the chamber to insure no live round remains in the barrel. You not only endanger your own life, but those near you, What would be the point of this even if it was safe.. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Honestly I knew what you meant and knew it wasn't a stovepipe. Until next time, good luck and good gunsmithing! "FTE" is not automatically understood, as it has two distinctly different meanings. They soon switched over to pulling the FMJ bullets and replacing the projectile with purpose-made soft points. That took some talent Never seen that one before.. I really like my XD mod2, but this honestly makes me somewhat nervous about it.